Mary said to Arlo:
I'm exposing the idea that Pirsig's MoQ offers a metaphysics with much greater
explanatory power than James'. James' ideas are provincial. If you were not
human, you would find his theories quaint and limited. The MoQ, on the other
hand, proposes a static evolutionary system that would be true no matter what
the starting point of a universe.
dmb says:
That's not true, actually. James says that we can think of the entire universe
as noetic all the way down, but not in a grand unified way. It's a Pluralistic
universe in which "everything gets known by something". Also, James and Pirsig
are both radically humanist but neither is a subjectivist or a solipsist.
Mary continued:
Let's say time and mass were not the initial SPOVs in some alternate universe.
I am suggesting that the SQ evolutionary logic Pirsig has employed would hold
equally well under any conditions while James' would not have relevance.
dmb says:
Actually, that's not true either. James talks about how some genius in the
distant past invented the idea of objects and he says that it could have turned
out differently.
I strongly suspect that you don't know much about James and you've certainly
offered no reason or basis for making these claims. And I happen to know that
they're simply wrong.
Besides, since Pirsig it was himself who decided to write and published those
chapters in Lila comparing James with the MOQ, dismissing James is to
disrespect and disregard the views of the thinker you are ostensibly defending.
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