Einstein lived by the creed that thruth is only a moment in time, and in as such conditional, ie ;depending on time.
Remember, Phaedrus is an alter ego,interacting with Pirsig himself and Einsteins knowledge. Pirsig is concluding differently than Phaedrus. 2011/3/28 David Thomas <[email protected]> > >> [Dan] > >> I don't care if you're a trained biologist or not (I am seriously > >> leaning towards the latter). You obviously don't know much about the > >> MOQ when you make statements like this: > > > > [Mark] > > No, Dan, I am not asking you to care, this is simply a discussion of > > MoQ and the terms used therein. > > > >> > >>> Mark previously: > >>> I just seems to me that we are using the word Evolution as a catch > >>> phrase for something that it is not. It may seem like it relates to > >>> the sciences, but it most certainly does not. The term provides > >>> practical awareness in biology, but I do not see it in MoQ. > >> > >> Dan: > >> How can you say this? It makes no sense whatsoever. The four levels > >> share an evolutionary history as described by Robert Pirsig in LILA. > >> We are not using evolution as a catch phrase and if you think so I > >> suggest a refresher course in whatever school of biology you did your > >> training. > > > > [Mark] > > Dan, if I may be so bold, you say absolutely nothing in your response. > > The topic of this thread was evolution. My question was what do You > > mean by evolution. I am asking you for your opinion. What do you > > mean by "share an evolutionary history"? You can choose not to > > respond, but if you do, answer the question and don't just become > > emotional. Perhaps it is beneath you, so humor me. If you had read > > the rest of my post besides just that which you responded to, then > > maybe you would have understood my position. Taking a just a part to > > respond to is immoral, imho. > >> Dan > >> Arrrgggh!! This is so frustrating! > > [Dave butts in} > > This frustration, in part, may be due to the "evolution" in the use of the > word evolution. Since Darwin's "Origin" there has been a slow but steady > drift of evolution's primary meaning from "process of formation or growth; > development" to shorthand for his biological theory, "evolution > (growth,formation,development, unfolding etc) by natural selection". And > it > is not always easy in the work of Pirsig or others to say for certain > exactly which way it is meant. For example, "evolution" only appears one > time in ZaMM: > > [ZaMM pg 64] > " About this Einstein had said, "Evolution has shown that at any given > moment out of all conceivable constructions a single one has always proved > itself absolutely superior to the rest," and let it go at that. But to > Phædrus that was an incredibly weak answer. The phrase "at any given > moment" > really shook him. Did Einstein really mean to state that truth was a > function of time? To state that would annihilate the most basic presumption > of all science! > But there it was, the whole history of science, a clear story of > continuously new and changing explanations of old facts. The time spans of > permanence seemed completely random he could see no order in them. Some > scientific truths seemed to last for centuries, others for less than a > year. > Scientific truth was not dogma, good for eternity, but a temporal > quantitative entity that could be studied like anything else." > > My interpretation is that Einstein is speaking about Darwin's theory of > "evolution." Isn't interesting that at 15 the precocious child Phaedrus > finds Einstein answer "incredibly weak" while the much older and successful > author Pirsig basically creates the whole of the MoQ by interpreting > Einstein "evolution" as all of reality. > > Dave > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
