Quote , Dan. Dan: You're talking about selective breeding, not natural selection. In fact, selective breeding leads to a species being less able to adapt to changes, less able to fight off illness and infections, and more prone to genetic diseases. Charles Darwin wrote about this extensively. He told a story about how an animal breeder informed him the quickest way to alter a animal was to cross-breed it with its sister or brother, or to back-cross it with a mother or father. But this ultimately leads to a weaker species.
So no, while on the surface it may seem we have altered evolution by selective breeding, we have in fact effectively bred Dynamic Quality out of the equation. By determining what traits we select for, the Dynamic freedom exhibited in the wild is lost. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Perfect. Incestual crossbreed brings out the best unknown traits in the offspring. But!!, it will also bring out the worst case scenario's.The number of bad mutations will spice up real far.The Jack Wattley discus fish is a good example of incestual breeding and crossing back. Perfect results for in a fish tank, no changes of survival in the nature. Nature will filter them back out if tried. Or try the Pigeon blood discus as example, or the Malboro's or the leopards,or the 'degen-discus', changeless in nature,...(visability for predators.) Same goes for Koi really, most are very beautiful, but taken back to nature, the visability for predators is simply to high.And they lost the ability to protect themselves to cancer mostly. Think of the Orchid hybrids(F1 Hybrids), Maize,(F1 Hybrids)...chanceless outside a controlled monoculture. The breeders are clever,However, they kill immediatly all results that are unwished,and mostly will deny it. But i do have to say, the field Ian is coining,Epigenetics, is a very interesting and promising field.But a change and a modification,will almost never become a mutation. Checked it out in the Kew gardens dbase.solid. good field. Adrie 2011/3/27 Dan Glover <[email protected]> > Hello everyone > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Ian Glendinning > <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK Dan, I get your key point ... (as I said I was sure you already > > knew what I was saying) > > Hi Ian > > I'm sorry Ian but I don't think you do. > > >Ian: > > Your question .. > > "My question to Dave was that if we do not know what's better, then how > > can we will ourselves towards it?" > > > > I alluded to answering that question without giving any examples. > > Clearly our "knowledge" of what is "better" is imperfect, but so far > > as we believe we know what is better and believe we understand how > > evolution works - is there any doubt that we can wilfully influence > > evolution ? > > > > We do it with plants and domesticated animals and ideas every day ...... > > Dan: > You're talking about selective breeding, not natural selection. In > fact, selective breeding leads to a species being less able to adapt > to changes, less able to fight off illness and infections, and more > prone to genetic diseases. Charles Darwin wrote about this > extensively. He told a story about how an animal breeder informed him > the quickest way to alter a animal was to cross-breed it with its > sister or brother, or to back-cross it with a mother or father. But > this ultimately leads to a weaker species. > > So no, while on the surface it may seem we have altered evolution by > selective breeding, we have in fact effectively bred Dynamic Quality > out of the equation. By determining what traits we select for, the > Dynamic freedom exhibited in the wild is lost. > > Thank you, > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
