Hello everyone On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:55 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:10 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Dan: >> There are not many MOQs. There is one, as far as I am concerned. Any >> other theory should be called by another name, otherwise it leads to >> confusion. >> >> Ron: >> Thats a real absolute authoritative view, Marsha's not going to like that too >> much. > > > Marsha: > The MoQ as we discuss it is an Intellectual Static Pattern of Value, and is > subject to > an individual's static history and the dynamics of the experience. RMP knows > that > there cannot be an absolute MoQ. In this quote, he acknowledges the MoQ's > vulnerability. I may agree with Dan on many issues, but that he has an > absolute > understanding of the Quality of the MoQ, I have to say: No. No. No. -
Hi Ron and Marsha Of course I don't have an absolute understanding of the MOQ or of anything for that matter. I think you're both putting words in my mouth. I said there is only one MOQ, not many. That doesn't translate into an absolute MOQ, however. It is a both a static and Dynamic document. And Robert Pirsig has talked! He wrote a book about the MOQ. He has written much subsequent work about it as well. He has shown where certain interpretations work while others do not. He has suggested that if someone wants to diverge from the MOQ with their own theories, that he doesn't have a problem with that as long as they name it something else. If we are all to start throwing our own ideas out there without regard to the framework of the MOQ, then what are we doing here? Isn't this a forum to discuss THE MOQ? I thought it was. That's what the guidelines say. Marsha: On the other > hand, I think there is great value in trying to deepen ones understanding, > and if one > can kill those intellectual patterns even for a few minutes, than great good > has been > accomplished. > > “There is the Quality of Zen and there is the Quality of the MOQ and they are > not the same thing anymore because the MOQ is an intellectual static pattern > and already it’s been polluted plenty to get into that pattern. And all of a > sudden you’re taking sides and things... You’re picking and choosing and in > Zen you’re not supposed to do that! I’ll give you that koan: ‘the way is not > difficult but it avoids picking and choosing.’ That’s a famous koan: the > quality that is Quality is arrived at not by picking and choosing.” > > > http://robertpirsig.org/AHP.htm Dan: Which is what freedom is all about! Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
