Hello everyone On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:49 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dan, >> You seem to me to be implying that since values are consistant in their > choices >> they >> are incapable of altering those choices. That static patterns can not change >>and >> we >> can not effect change in them. > > Dan: > > What I think the MOQ says is that static quality patterns cannot > change by themselves. They change in response to Dynamic Quality. I > believe RMP brings this up in the discussion about the Zuni brujo. > > Thank you, > > Ron: > The koan of the Brujo is a good case in point to bring up Dan. The tribe was > ready for a change. > the conditions were right for the Brujo. Static patterns were already > changing. > The Brujo also > stuck around, got involved and changed the way people thought and the way > things > were done > he did'nt sit sazen somewhere and cop out on a mountain top with some sort of > moral victory. > Too cool for school. > > He aligned intellectual patterns with dynamic quality. > > Now I'm going to attack how you are using the quote of static patterns > change in response to dynamic quality. It is a cause and effect relationship > you seem to be placing on the meaning that tends to be anchored in > objective suppositions. In the inerest of clarity, is this what you mean when > you use the term?
Dan: No. The MOQ doesn't subscribe to cause and effect relationships. Perhaps this quote will help clarify what I mean: "The tribal frame of values that condemned the brujo and led to his punishment was one kind of good, for which Phaedrus coined the term "static good." Each culture has its own pattern of static good derived from fixed laws and the traditions and values that underlie them. This pattern of static good is the essential structure of the culture itself and defines it. In the static sense the brujo was very clearly evil to oppose the appointed authorities of his tribe. Suppose everyone did that? The whole Zuni culture, after thousands of years of continuous survival, would collapse into chaos. "But in addition there's a Dynamic good that is outside of any culture, that cannot be contained by any system of precepts, but has to be continually rediscovered as a culture evolves. Good and evil are not entirely a matter of tribal custom. If they were, no tribal change would be possible, since custom cannot change custom. There has to be another source of good and evil outside the tribal customs that produces the tribal change." [LILA} Dan comments: Note the sentence: "since custom cannot change custom" and replace custom with static quality pattern, then you will perhaps see what the MOQ is saying. Dynamic Quality "cannot be contained by any system of percepts." Any attempt to describe "it" is an intellectual pattern of quality. That's why we cannot say anything about Dynamic Quality. Not on account of jepordizing our position, but anything we say will be not this, not that. Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
