Hi Mark --

On Tues, Apr 19, 2011, at 2:06 AM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote:


Free will can be considered a personal choice, although there are
those who claim we have been determined to believe in free will.
On the other hand we are free to choose determinism.  The latter
is like electing a ruler who changes the constitution so that he never
leaves power, the other is more like an ever changing democracy,
so long as one side does not take complete control.

Me, I choose free will.

To be "predetermined to believe" in something makes no sense to me, and I'm amazed at how many MDers resist the idea of man as a free agent. There can be only two reasons for this, in my opinion: 1) they are persuaded that the 'self' is some form of being, hence must be controlled by the deterministic laws of the physical universe, and 2) they refuse to accept the principle of an uncreated source in the belief that it is a throwback to theism which is "anti-intellectual".

I shall address the first reason in detail at a later time. As for the second, I should like to quote from an essay I just stumbled upon while researching Free Will and Determinism. The essay appeared in a 1993 issue of the American Philosophical Quarterly under the title 'Hiddenness'. In it Profs. Michael Murray and David E. Taylor of Franklin and Marshall College argue (brilliantly I think) for the "moral necessity" that God be hidden from the world. (Should the word 'God' offend anyone, I suggest that the term "Primary Source", "Essence", or "DQ" be mentally substituted for it by the reader.)

"Very few people will claim that God's existence is an obvious feature of reality. Not only atheists and agnostics, but theists too generally acknowledge that God is, at least to some extent, hidden. The psalmist, for example, exclaims in apparent frustration, using words later uttered by Jesus on the cross: 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?' ...For theists divine hiddenness can be a source of anxiety or despair. Some atheists, on the other hand, view hiddenness as fodder for an argument against the existence of God. Recently, The Argument (for atheism) from Hiddenness has taken a new, more rigorous form, most notably in the works of philosopher John Schellenberg.

"The simplest version of Schellenberg's argument looks like this:
(1) If there is a God, he is perfectly loving.
(2) If a perfectly loving God exists, reasonable non-belief in the existence of God
does not occur.
(3) Reasonable non-belief in the existence of God does occur.
(4) No perfectly loving God exists.
(5) There is no God (Schellenberg 1993: 83).

"Schellenberg argues that since premise (1) is true by definition and premises (4) and (5) follow from the earlier ones, the only controversial claims in the argument are (2) and (3). Schellenberg accepts premise (3) because he takes it to be obvious that at least some
non-belief, his own at any rate, is indeed reasonable.

"What about (2)? Schellenberg claims that theists should be attracted to this premise. Most theistic traditions argue that ultimate human fulfillment is found by entering into a deep, personal relationship with God. Therefore, if God is truly loving, it is reasonable to think that he will seek to do whatever is necessary to bring his creatures into a position where such a relationship is possible. There are numerous conditions that are necessary to do this, but only one need concern us here, namely that God make his existence known to creatures in such a way that they could not reasonably fail to see it. For this reason, we should expect that God would reveal himself to us in a way
that rules out the possibility of reasonable non-belief."

"Some philosophers (Swinburne 1979; Murray 2002) have argued that hiddenness is rather a necessary condition for a world containing human creatures that enjoy morally significant free choice. Such a world must meet certain conditions: it must contain human beings, endowed with the power of free choice, who are presented with alternative courses of action between which it is genuinely possible for them to select. For a world to meet these conditions, it must be configured in particular ways. Most relevant among these ways in this context is this: the world must be set up in such a way that the free creatures in it often have genuine incentives for doing both good and bad actions. In order for one to be free, one must be able to choose between alternative courses of action, and in order to have such an ability, one must possess incentives or desires for each of the
alternatives.

"We can take a more general lesson from this, namely, that if the world
does not contain incentives for us to choose both good and evil actions, then we will not
be truly free to choose between them. ...One way would be for God to set up
the world so that we are subjected to coercive threats to behave in accordance with the dictates of morality at all times. We can imagine God setting up the world in such a way that we are followed around by moral 'highway patrolmen,' ready to punish us whenever we make a morally evil choice. In this case, any incentives fo doing evil would be eliminated or at least overwhelmed by the presence of the
moral patrolman, and we would be psychologically unable to choose evil.

"Such freedom-removing conditions could be established in other ways as well. For example, if God were to make his existence clearly and powerfully known to us, the impact would be no less than the moral patrolmen. If we knew that God was there, watching over us continuously, all incentives to choose evil would be lost along with our ability to choose between good and evil actions. Our moral free choice would have been eliminated. Some have argued that this need to prevent pervasive coercion is one reason why God must remain hidden, at least to the extent that his existence is not as obvious as
a patrol car following us on the highway."

The complete essay can be downloaded in pdf format at https://edisk.fandm.edu/michael.murray/MURRAY_TAYLOR%20HIDDENNESS.pdf

Valuistically speaking,
Ham


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