Ron to Marsha:
But I am interested in why you feel becoming unattached to value is better
considering we are composed of value.It hints at wanting to die rather than
wanting to improve your life. what are your reasons for valuing "no value" or
becoming unattached to value? you must feel that it is better in some way.
Andre:
Just butting in and hoping you do not mind. I think the important issue Marsha
is putting forward is that following DQ does imply an effort to die. As far as
I
understand it it is the ego that must be rid of before anything else and is, in
this sense, a precondition for 'following' DQ genuinely and thereby improving
'your life'.
In this way the 'idea' of being 'attached' to value is meaningless... 'you' ARE
value! Getting rid of ego frees oneself of the 'idea' of being 'attached'. One
does not experience 'freedom' but one experiences, as the Buddha said a state
of
being 'awake'. (which I thought was a pretty good way of putting it...and
refers
back to my comment to Ham concerning the way these issues are dealt with in the
US and the 'Western' world) .
See the story in Steve Hagan's Buddhism Plain and Simple, p 7).
This, by the way also reinforces Dan's point about freewill, choice and other
notions we have of acts of 'freedom'. Pirsig makes this very clear and
pragmatic...and mystical.
Hope I'm making sense and sorry for the intrusion.
Ron:
No intrusion, you are always welcome. I have similar thoughts on the matter of
it being better to
follow DQ and how this betterness fits with ego attachment and static patterns.
But I still fail to see how Dans point of how static patterns having no choice,
and no freedom as it directly
applies to the traditional philosophical problem of freewill vs. determinism,
that MoQ renders moot,
forms the general elementary framework of how static patterns of quality are
understood within THE MoQ.
If you can provide some insight I'd be appreciative.
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