Joe to Ham: In a DQ/SQ metaphysics Quality is both undefined and defined.
Andre, (who thinks the title of this thread is rather funny, but ah, to Ham, anything possible): Yes, Quality is defined when referring to sq. But actually it is not defined...it is given shape through the abstracting...When you are intellectualizing about it. When you are experiencing... it is 'undefined'.'It' just flows. Joe: Undefined does not mean unknown. Andre: True Joe, but I would prefer perhaps the expression; experienced but not defined. At some level you 'know' but it is impossible to assign any intellectual process to it that would 'capture' it. Any concepts or representation...other than by analogy... and that even leaves much to be desired. Joe: The intellect requires defined terms for logic SQ. Andre: I hope you mean 'logic' within a MOQ sense as expounded in LILA. Joe: The emotions are indefinable and knowable, and the logic of emotions is more obscure in being DQ indefinable, yet very much present to our experience,DQ. Andre: This is the snag isn't it Joe? How can you maintain that 'the emotions are indefinable and knowable' and thus putting them on a par with DQ? DQ,as an intellectual pattern of value is only a referring term. It is the finger pointing. Emotions are already defined as such and further developed into many different feeling states that have been named. Emotions are a biological response to quality. I have suggested this to you before and will now simply ask the question: do you mean the ecstatic emotional response you get with an 'AHA' erlebniss? a Eureka moment?. A moment of bliss and fulfillment? Please explain Joe. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
