"Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without them." (Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, page 214.)
"A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any metaphysics." (Pirsig in Lila, page 64.) Ron: Note to interested contributer: This response is intended to provoke a dialog on the topic of clarity within our understanding of what these quotes mean to a philosophic position that supports a Pragmatic point of view. It is an attempt to "advance the ball" on what is meant by making the first intellectual distinction of experience into static and dynamic Quality. The primary value distinction, in a metaphysics of value, which is an intellectual pattern predicated on value distinction (and let us reinforce this statement as to being no misunderstanding about what we mean) is experience and explanation of experience. In explanation a distinction may be drawn between reflection and non reflection. Decisions/action based on reflection often are more succesful than those that are not. And when we then again make the distinction between what is best in terms of reflection we begin to explore concepts and words meaning abstractions, the consequences of reification..ect. I believe starting the dialog from this point of understanding would lead to some interesting discussions such as the crafting of meaning from concepts and words and what is best and why. Often the rhetorical device is brought into play of not having to make sense in a philosophical, reflective conversation because what they mean is outside of languages conceptual ability to entirely, wholy and absolutely encapsulate and ultimately define what they mean. This is regularly confused with explanations of the ineffiable appearing as cryptic and enigmatic to those not "in the know". Their arguement being more based on the consequences of esoteria rather than the ouright rejection of meaning they believe thay are defending. And the confusion grows from there. =========================================================== Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
