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----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 11:04:36 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Words and concepts Go ahead, Ron, present a hypothesis that uses Pirsig's notion of Quality to illuminate James's notion of pure experience. I'm sure I will find it very interesting. Or maybe not. On Jun 10, 2011, at 10:55 AM, X Acto wrote: > Then perhaps the discussion is not for you, just because it was not intended to > be within a philosophical tradition does not mean that it is'nt a part of > that > tradition. > of thought. > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:58:07 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Words and concepts > > > Ron, > > I prefer better 'pragmatic' with a small p. > > "The Metaphysics of Quality is not intended to be within any philosophic > tradition, although obviously it was not written in a vacuum. My first >awareness > > that it resembled James' work came from a magazine review long after “Zen and > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” was published. The Metaphysics of > Quality's > central idea that the world is nothing but value is not part of any > philosophic > > tradition that I know of. I have proposed it because it seems to me that when > you look into it carefully it makes more sense than all the other things the > world is supposed to be composed of. One particular strength lies in its > applicability to quantum physics, where substance has been dismissed but >nothing > > except arcane mathematical formulae has really replaced it." > > > (A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005) > > > Marsha > > > > > On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:30 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> >> >> "Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without them." >> (Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, page 214.) >> >> >> "A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any >> metaphysics." (Pirsig in Lila, page 64.) >> >> >> >> Ron: >> Note to interested contributer: >> This response is intended to provoke a dialog on the topic of clarity within >> our >> >> understanding >> of what these quotes mean to a philosophic position that supports a >> Pragmatic >> point of view. >> It is an attempt to "advance the ball" on what is meant by making the first >> intellectual distinction >> of experience into static and dynamic Quality. >> >> The primary value distinction, in a metaphysics of value, which is an >> intellectual pattern predicated >> on value distinction (and let us reinforce this statement as to being no >> misunderstanding about what we >> mean) is experience and explanation of experience. In explanation a >> distinction >> >> >> may be drawn >> between reflection and non reflection. Decisions/action based on reflection >> often are more succesful >> than those that are not. And when we then again make the distinction between >> what is best in terms >> of reflection we begin to explore concepts and words meaning abstractions, >> the > > >> consequences of >> reification..ect. >> >> I believe starting the dialog from this point of understanding would lead to >> some interesting discussions >> such as the crafting of meaning from concepts and words and what is best and >> why. >> >> Often the rhetorical device is brought into play of not having to make sense >> in >> >> >> a philosophical, reflective >> conversation because what they mean is outside of languages conceptual >> ability > > >> to entirely, wholy >> and absolutely encapsulate and ultimately define what they mean. >> This is regularly confused with explanations of the ineffiable appearing as >> cryptic and enigmatic >> to those not "in the know". Their arguement being more based on the >> consequences >> >> of >> esoteria rather than the ouright rejection of meaning they believe thay are >> defending. >> >> >> And the confusion grows from there. >> >> =========================================================== >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
