Hi Dan, On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Marsha said: >> ...at the moment, I think the best answer would be: >> all-that-is-opposite-from-non-gravitation, and I sometimes visualize the >> pattern as a cloud of probability. >> >>dmb: >> >> "Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without them." >> (Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, page 214.) >> >> "A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any >> metaphysics." (Pirsig in Lila, page 64.) > > Dan: > > Exactly. Come on, Marsha and Mark. If you want to know what > gravitation is, look it up. Or even better, try reading ZMM... or > re-reading it, or whatever it takes to get the ideas contained there > to sink in. > > Good God almighty...
Good God indeed. In ZMM the term "gravity" is mentioned as a ghost. There is really no mention of what the term means. In my opinion, physics is a discipline within metaphysics. That is, it describes a reality of "what is". As such it falls prey to the many issues that any metaphysics does, as presented by RMP. I have read ZMM many times over the years and my copy is well-worn. If I look up gravitation in the physics of metaphysics, I am presented with an equation. This can be one of acceleration, attraction, or potential energy if one uses Newtonian physics. These are all descriptions of a phenomenon, and not of gravitation itself. In this way, gravitation does not exist except through its presentation through its effects. This would be similar to Quality, which can only be discerned through its expression, and not directly. Originally I used the term in order to understand what Marsha meant by Process. Since Gravitation and Quality are similar in their uses in metaphysics, I was wondering whether Quality was a process. What are your thoughts on this subject? Thanks, Mark > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
