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----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 11:26:11 PM Subject: Re: [MD] cloud of probability Marsha: And you seem to have the point of view that something generalized is true. On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:33 PM, X Acto wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 2:15:42 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] cloud of probability > > > > Marsha: > > And I am still waiting for the evidence for the quote you attributed to me as > part of the > contradiction. > > > Ron: > Interesting comment considering that you seem to have the point of view that > there > is no such thing as "evidence". > > > > ,, > > > > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2011, at 1:28 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> dmb said: >> ..."Gravity" is a physical concept, a word with specific meanings. It is NOT >> an >> >> ineffable mystical reality. >> >> >> John wonders what a physical concept looks like: >> Is it a concept composed of physical attributes? I thought it was just an >> idea >> >> - something in a mind. How can a concept be physical? >> >> dmb: >> Think about the fact that Newton and Einstein were mentioned in the context >> of > >> saying "gravity" is a physical concept. >> >> It is dawning on you yet? Newton and Einstein are famous for being ________? >> No? Still don't have it? Okay, instead of fill-in-the-blank, how about >> multiple >> >> choice? >> Newton and Einstein are famous for >> A) messy hair >> B) bad manners >> C) Physics >> No? You still don't see what a "physical" concept is? >> Okay, I'll just tell you. A physical concept is an idea from Physics or an >> idea >> >> used by physicists. >> >> >> John said: >> It's a ghost, dave. It's only in your head. That doesn't mean it's not >> real, > >> after all, everything is only in your head and everything is the only >> reality >> you'll ever know, so I don't see what the big deal is, anyway. Except you >> sure > >> got some hang-up with reality, man. You insist that your reality is the >> only >> possible one, while we all know that the universe is pluralistic. ... And do >> we >> >> all have to conform to your definitions? Even when they're wrong? >> >> >> dmb says: >> Seems like you and Marsha keep making this same mistake over and over. See, >> I'm >> >> talking about concepts and definitions, not reality. If I say that Marsha is >> misusing terms and quote Pirsig saying that definitions are the foundation >> of >> reason, I do NOT mean to say that proper definitions are reality. If I say >> "gravity" has a proper definition, I do NOT mean to say that the law of >> gravity >> >> is anything more than a concept. I'm simply saying that Marsha will never be >> able to communicate effectively without using concepts and definitions >>properly. >> >> And neither can anyone else. This is not a claim about ultimate realties. >> It's > >> about the english language and the nature of reasonable philosophical >> discussions. Who thinks the riddle of the universe can be found in a >>dictionary? >> >> Nobody, that's who. But you know what CAN be found in the dictionaries? >> Definitions. Words. Lots and lots of words. Lots and lots of concepts. And >> they >> >> all relate to each other, mean what they mean in relation >> > to >> each other. >> But there must always be a discrepancy between concepts reality because the >> former are static and the latter is dynamic. The latter is undifferentiated >> and >> >> the former is all chopped up into bits. Those static bits ARE words and >> concepts. To counter the demand for proper use of terms with quotes about >> undefined Dynamic Quality is to change the subject from dictionaries to the >> mystic reality, from reason to mysticism. To confuse these two things is to >> misunderstand the distinction between DQ and static quality. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
