Ron said to dmb:
 I for one, have benefitted tremendously from this forum. The breaking and 
re-patterning of rigid static values has been a boon to me, the work is on 
going and ever in play. PTSD had governed my life for quite awhile and although 
the breaking of those patterns came at the cost of some ugly debate on my part, 
I still regard those who stuck to the conversation despite my desperate vicious 
clinging to old values as paramount to the living  understanding that is MoQ 
and this discuss. Thanks to all who care enough to disagree and the have the 
courage to see the discussion through.

dmb says:
PTSD is more like an injury or wound than an illness, no? In any case, your 
description reminded me of an important distinction. Static patterns (karma) 
provide a necessary stability but sometimes, as you put it, we cling 
desperately and these old values become too rigid (bad karma.) PTSD is a very 
stark example of how this works. The vermiform appendage (or Appendix) "is the 
shrunken remainder of a large and normal intestine of a remote ancestor. This 
interpretation would stand even if it were found to have a certain use in the 
human body." Vestigial organs are analogous to bad karma. They are adaptations 
that served a purpose once upon a time, but have become obsolete. Their 
original function no longer makes sense. And so it is with PTSD, eh? The victim 
was in an extreme situation that demanded certain adaptations. In war, it might 
be a really good idea to be paranoid and hostile and to put a mute button on 
certain moral sentiments. I war, that sort of hyper-vigilence will 
 save lives and otherwise get you through. But those adaptations are going to 
be wildly inappropriate if you're out in the suburbs with your family and 
friends. At that point, one's adaptations to war are evolutionary garbage, are 
bad karma. 

This is something we all have to deal with, although usually the bad karma 
isn't so conspicuously bad. Clinging to patterns that no longer serve their 
purpose is something we all suffer from. I see it in personal relationships and 
in large scale political and religious attitudes as well. Did you hear about 
the right-wing Christian who gunned down more than 80 liberal kids at a summer 
camp the other day? Multiculturalism is rubbing up against a very ancient 
tribal instinct and some people not only cling to that instinct, they act on 
it. I'd bet some of the survivors will soon be seeking treatment for PTSD.



                                          
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