> dmb says: > To say that accusations cause mistrust is a little like saying that arrests > cause crime. I mean, if the accusation is not unfounded, then it is the > straw-man maker that has destroyed trust. It's not accusations of evasion > that causes mistrust, it's the evasive weasel-wordy behavior that destroys > trust. These tactics are not part of an honest or sincere conversation and I > sincerely believe that it is wrong NOT to complain about them. The decent > thing to do when making such a charge, of course, is to be very specific and > explicit about the behavior that's drawing the charge, to show the foundation > of the accusation. That's certainly what I tried to do when I accused Steve > of inventing a straw man. He didn't have to wonder where I got the idea and > he had every opportunity to address the charge in very concrete terms. And > did he make any effort to restore trust or repair the conversation? No. He > just kept creating more fictions with which to abuse me. It seems way out of > whack to > construe my complaints as the problem rather than the antics that drew the > complaints in first place.
Steve: Why would I waste my time inventing straw men to argue with? Isn't it possible that I have tried to defend my position against what I sincerely believed was your position? dmb: > Well, after one of the most outrageous cases (wherein Steve edited things to > make it appear that I was responding to a post from Marsha that I'd never > even seen) he did apologize, sort of. He did not admit to being manipulative > or dishonest, justifying this fancy editing trick with some vague notion > about what he assumed. Steve: This is at least the third time where you pointed the one concrete thing you seem to be able to point at to somehow justify all your bitching, and it happens to be an honest mistake that I immediately apologized for! Rather than a "fancy editing trick" it is the sort of thing (confusion with regard to who is saying what to whom and when) that I have witnessed happen many many times in this forum. I have certainly had this happen to me lots of times. I think it's time for you to get over it. Or better, just go away. All us weasels are just too frustrating for you to bear. We don't deserve to have you around. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
