Ron provided an example of Steve's denial of free will:
Steve said to dmb:
"Compatiblism says that free will and determinism are both true. It says that
the serpent of causation is thus over everything."
dmb says:
I'd ask the same rhetorical question that Ron asked. "How can they both be true
if causation runs over everything?"
The answer, of course, is that they can't both be true. If the serpent of
causation is over everything, then there is no freedom. Zip, zero, nada. Those
who think everything is the effect of causality, then you are a classic causal
determinist. What makes this position so totally wrong is that Pirsig's
reformulation rejects causality and the metaphysics of substance on which it is
based. Getting rid of that is Pirsig's central move but Steve is rejecting that
solution and re-inserting the original problem in it's place. It's as if his
whole aim and purpose is to be as wrong as possible. I see that Steve has
already posted several times today and it's quite clear that he's going to
persist with this kind of nonsense regardless of what the dictionary, logic and
the textual evidence says.
Rather than posting a long string of insulting profanities that negatively
characterize Steve's lack of honesty and intelligence, I'll just say, "no
thanks" and "I'm done".
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