On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:41 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Steve]
>> I see causality as an
>> intellectual pattern of value--one of the tools we have evolved for
>> coping with reality.
>
> The problem with this view is that it entails there was no causation
> before there were ipovs & we know that is not the case.

Hi Craig,

The MOQ says that Quality comes first which produces ideas which
produce what we know as causality. It is common sense to presume that
causality comes first and produces ideas. However, as if to further
the confusion, the MOQ says that the idea that causality comes first
is a high quality idea!

Best,
Steve
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