[Steve] > that same cosmology that puts > inorganic patterns historically before intellectual ones itself is an > idea which shows that ideas come before inorganic, biological, and > social patterns in the MOQ's _epistemology_ which is also its > ontology.
If it were correct that inorganic patterns could come historically before intellectual ones only if there were first a cosmology that holds that inorganic patterns come historically before intellectual ones, then you'd be right. But as that assumption is incorrect, the conclusion does not follow. [Steve] > In the MOQ, experience is reality, so its > ontology is pretty much its epistemology (at least as far as DQ/sq) > and cosmology gets demoted to being mere "ideas about reality" as > distinct from direct experience (except perhaps for asserting the four > types of patterns as a moral order since it seems to have ontological > status in the MOQ).) > Once we make that distinction, we see that ontologically, causality > exists in the MOQ only as an intellectual pattern rather than as an > extra term in addition to subjects and objects (i.e., rules about how > they interact with one another written into the fabric of reality). Yes, but experience is not just human experience. There is the experience of interaction between/amongst inorganic & biological patterns not dependent on intellectual ones. [Steve] > We don't > need an extra ontological category for causal laws since Value does > just fine in explaining a basis for causality. True. [Steve] > Causality is then only > an epistemological concern for making predictions rather than a clue > to what is REALLY going on in the universe (i.e., reading the mind of > God and learning the rules with which he runs things.) This doesn't follow. Why isn't causality just the "interaction between/amongst inorganic & biological patterns not dependent on intellectual ones." Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
