118 said to dmb:

I am interested in learning more about this preselection process which seems to 
happen before intellectual or emotional awareness, if I read you post correctly 
below.  How does Empiricism fit into this process?


dmb says:
It's a very big question with a complicated answer involving psychology and 
epistemology.

One of my favorite James scholars, Charlene Seigfired, might help:
"We do not select a portion of the world to interact with because it is there 
but because we are interested in doing one thing rather than another. If the 
world answers to our desires, well and good, if not, we try something else. As 
James says, something is there, to be sure, but what and how it is, is up to 
us. The least unit is the 'full fact,' saturated with awareness of past, 
present, and future, of bodily awareness, and fringed by "who knows how much 
more?" To talk about what is really there apart from "my present field of 
consciousness [which] is a centre surrounded by a fringe that shades insensibly 
into a subconscious more" violates this radically empiricist fact of an 
irreducible perspectivism of fringe and focus and thus spins off into 
speculation."

She takes the whole of James's work into view, but quite a lot of his thinking 
on this topic occurred when he was still a psychologist. Chapter 11 of his 
"Principles of Psychology" is titled "Attention". Here are the first couple of 
paragraphs:

Strange to say, so patent a fact as the perpetual presence of selective 
attention has received hardly any notice from psychologists of the English 
empiricist school. The Germans have explicitly treated of it, either as a 
faculty or as a resultant, but in the pages of such writers as Locke, Hume, 
Hartley, the Mills, and Spencer the word hardly occurs, or if it does so, it is 
parenthetically and as if by inadvertence.[1] The motive of this ignoring of 
the phenomenon of attention is obvious enough. These writers are bent on 
showing how the higher faculties of the mind are pure products of 'experience;' 
and experience is supposed to be of something simply given. Attention, implying 
a degree of reactive spontaneity, would seem to break through the circle of 
pure receptivity which constitutes 'experience,' and hence must not be spoken 
of under penalty of interfering with the smoothness of the tale.But the moment 
one thinks of the matter, one sees how false a notion of experience th
 at is which would make it tantamount to the mere presence to the senses of an 
outward order. Millions of items of the outward order are present to my senses 
which never properly enter into my experience. Why? Because they have no 
interest for me. My experience is what I agree to attend to. Only those items 
which I notice shape my mind - without selective interest, experience is an 
utter chaos. Interest alone gives accent and emphasis, light and shade, 
background and foreground - intelligible perspective, in a word. It varies in 
every [p. 403] creature, but without it the consciousness of every creature 
would be a gray chaotic indiscriminateness, impossible for us even to conceive. 
Such an empiricist writer as Mr. Spencer, for example, regards the creature as 
absolutely passive clay, upon which 'experience' rains down. The clay will be 
impressed most deeply where the drops fall thickest, and so the final shape of 
the mind is moulded. Give time enough, and all sentient things 
 ought, at this rate, to end by assuming an identical mental constitution - for 
'experience,' the sole shaper, is a constant fact, and the order of its items 
must end by being exactly reflected by the passive mirror which we call the 
sentient organism. If such an account were true, a race of dogs bred for 
generations, say in the Vatican, with characters of visual shape, sculptured in 
marble, presented to their eyes, in every variety of form and combination, 
ought to discriminate before long the finest shades of these peculiar 
characters. In a word, they ought to become, if time were given, accomplished 
connoisseurs of sculpture. Anyone may judge of the probability of this 
consummation. Surely an eternity of experience of the statues would leave the 
dog as inartistic as he was at first, for the lack of an original interest to 
knit his discriminations on to. Meanwhile the odors at the bases of the 
pedestals would have organized themselves in the consciousness of this breed of 
d
 ogs into a system of 'correspondences' to which the most heredity caste of 
custodi would never approximate, merely because to them, as human beings, the 
dog's interest in those smells would for ever be an inscrutable mystery. These 
writers have, then, utterly ignored the glaring fact that subjective interest 
may, by laying its weighty index-finger on particular items of experience, so 
accent them as to give to the least frequent associations far more power to 
shape our thought than the most frequent ones possess. The interest itself, 
though its genesis is doubtless perfectly natural, makes experience more than 
it is made by it.



                                          
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