Hi Matt,

Matt:
> I'd never really thought about it before, but since you juxtaposed
> Rorty's redefinition of objectivity with Pirsig's, one can see how
> Rorty dovetails here with what Dan was calling Pirsig's idealism.  I
> don't take this idealism to be opposed to realism, but rather that
> third way.  Dan fancies bringing it to bear with a strong Cartesian
> and Berkeleyan flavor, which I think is misleading, but it does come
> out in Pirsig in those contexts when he's is facing down those
> scientistic and materialistic elements, so it shouldn't be that
> surprising.  Ultimately it has to be Hegelian-Deweyan to be the third
> way, which is where I think Pirsig ends up.
>
> (And with no segue:)...

Steve:
The connection is nevertheless clear to me.

Matt:
...One reason I've lost more and more interest in
> philosophical disputation is that once one realizes that a stated
> philosophical position--any ism, say--may not be what the stater
> thinks it is, then it becomes more and more difficult to diagnose and
> analyze properly a position.  This shouldn't be surprising for a
> pragmatist because philosophical positions are just covers for habits,
> which is to say that a position only ever comes into existence
> between two conversants.  (Not exactly true: only as a reaction to a
> state of affairs.  But often it is a person saying something.)  So
> really, analyzing an ism is analyzing a set of habits, which is to say a
> whole set of people who have reacted a certain way.  But if you want
> an example of how squirrely people can be, just look at Mitt Romney
> in his recent interview with Fox.  It can be hard to figure out what a
> position is sometimes.


Steve:
Your point is well-taken, but not _that_ well-taken since I will
probably continue to bang my head against that wall before I learn my
lesson about philosophical isms.


Matt:
> My favorite formulation of the issue is Richard Bernstein's, from his
> book Beyond Objectivism and Relativism.  Bernstein's first move in
> the book is to describe the condition that creates the two kinds of
> responses: Cartesian Anxiety.  As a good Deweyan, he wanted to
> describe something like a psychological condition for a philosophical
> response because in a certain way (that we still don't have a good
> grasp of), psychology and concepts dovetail.  Philosophical
> problematics are as much a response to life as building a fire, prayer,
> and belching.  My loss of nerve when it comes to disputation comes
> from the fact that it has become difficult for me to find the center of
> gravity to stated positions, such that they attain a relevant coherence
> as responses to life.  I can't figure, for example, if a person really
> does have Cartesian Anxiety, or they're just saying a thing 'cuz it
> seems like the thing to say.

Steve:
It can sometimes be hard to recognize the real thing as opposed to
non-anxious parroting of common sense, but other times it seems very
clear to me (such as in the hysteria that dmb sometimes works himself
into) that Cartesian Anxiety is a good name for a significant
psychological condition akin to the spiritual problem that Pirsig
diagnosed in ZAMM (which is described as manifesting less as hysteria
and more as the malaise of a funeral procession).

Best,
Steve
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