Mark, For me, static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality. But, of course, that is based as much on experience as what I've read & how I've understood and integrated that understanding. There were no questions within your post so thanks for responding.
Marsha Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > I am glad that it has been established for you. Personally I do not > see Quality as being the same thing as Emptiness, but, of course, we > each have our own realities. DQ is a subset of Quality and is created > for the purposes of presentation. In this sense DQ is not the same as > Quality, and both cannot be considered Emptiness in the same way. I > suppose from this Pirsigian metaphysical division of DQ and sq, DQ > would be one form of Emptiness according to you and Anthony. Since > Quality can never be defined and can only be represented, each > representation may be different. I suppose the usefulness comes in as > to what this vision does for one. > > The term Emptiness also has different connotations to each person and > can never be presented as dogmatic. Not having inherent existence is > one of a number of possible presentations. It is interesting that in > your quote the author states that Emptiness is "beyond the common > worldly understanding", which implies it lies within an "uncommon > worldly understanding". Perhaps that is what I have. > > Thank you for your response, I am still learning what people "see" in > terms of Quality. > > Mark > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:06 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> HI Mark, >> >> Yes, in my opinion, Quality, or DQ, corresponds to Buddhism's Sunyata, or >> Emptiness. The relationship has already been established. I am quite sure >> that that Anthony, in both his PhD thesis and the MoQ Textbook, has >> suggested that it is also RMP's understanding that the two are synonymous. > >> >> Marsha >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 16, 2011, at 12:41 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> In your opinion, is this DQ or Quality, or something else? In other words, >>> how do you relate this to MoQ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >>> Mark >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:53 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sunyata (Emptiness) in the Mahayana Context >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Sunyata (Emptiness) is the profound meaning of the Mahayana Teaching. >>>> >>>> Two thousand five hundred years ago, the Buddha was able to realise >>>> "emptiness" (s. sunyata). By doing so he freed himself from >>>> unsatisfactoriness (s. dukkha). From the standpoint of enlightenment, >>>> sunyata is the reality of all worldly existences (s. dharma). It is the >>>> realisation of Bodhi — Prajna. From the standpoint of liberation, sunyata >>>> is the skilful means that disentangle oneself from defilement and >>>> unsatisfactoriness. The realisation of sunyata leads one to no attachment >>>> and clinging. It is the skilful means towards enlightenment and also the >>>> fruit of enlightenment. >>>> >>>> There are two ways for us to understand this concept of sunyata in the >>>> Mahayana context. One way is to try to understand the explanation about >>>> its true nature. The other way is the realisation through practice. What >>>> we are going to discuss now is about its true nature. >>>> >>>> Mahayana teachings have always considered that the understanding of >>>> sunyata is an attainment which is extremely difficult and extraordinarily >>>> profound. >>>> >>>> For example, in the Prajna Sutra it says "That which is profound, has >>>> sunyata and non-attachment as its significance. No form nor deeds, no >>>> rising nor falling, are its implications." >>>> >>>> Again in the Dvadasanikaya Sastra (composed by Nagarjuna, translated to >>>> Chinese by Kumarajiva A.D. 408) it says: "The greatest wisdom is the >>>> so-called sunyata." >>>> >>>> This sunyata, no creation, calmness and extinction (s. nirvana) is of a >>>> profound significance in the Mahayana teachings. Why do we see it as the >>>> most profound teaching? This is because there is no worldly knowledge, be >>>> it general studies, science or philosophy, that can lead to the attainment >>>> of the state of sunyata. The only path to its realisation is via the >>>> supreme wisdom of an impassionate and discriminating mind. 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