Being random and unstable with regards to intellect is not "being
intellectually nowhere". Rather, it's "being intellectually all over the
place". I like Tim on LS, so how could I not like Marsha? I do.
-Tuukka
24.3.2012 3:00, Tuukka Virtaperko kirjoitti:
But I'd like to add Marsha has some good ideas or points. She's been
useful. So I don't see what's the thing with being "intellectually
nowhere" like Lila.
-Tuukka
24.3.2012 2:53, Tuukka Virtaperko kirjoitti:
Andre,
this is actually a damn good analysis.
-Tuukka
23.3.2012 22:48, Andre kirjoitti:
dmb to Marsha:
She is so lacking in self-awareness that she doesn't see her own
defensive anger as a rather transparent confession, but that's
exactly what it is.
Andre:
Excellent post dmb. I just thought I'd pick some issues out of it to
elaborate on it by providing, perhaps a slightly different
perspective but, in my view totally commensurate with the MOQ.
Lila is not, strictly speaking, 'lacking in self-awareness' but
rather her awareness of herself is defined in biological terms. What
does this mean? The biological level has 'emerged' from the
inorganic level. At this level there is, as yet, no idea of a social
let alone intellectual level. One's awareness, one's consciousness
therefore is restricted to the biological level. Everything and
everybody is seen in biological terms with biological
connotations/intentions/wishes etc.
To put it in intellectual terms: the ego is still at the level of
'body-ego', more or less differentiated from the environment. Lila's
anger, of course, and her own 'rationalizations'(and justifications)
about her own 'state' are indications of her (pathological) attempt
to 'transcend' to the social level(at least). Her paranoia is the
protection/indication and result of the failure of this attempt.
Then follows the quote after which you say:
"Marsha read this and finds great wisdom in Lila's words, as if her
denial of self were an indication of enlightenment."
Which, as you rightly point out it is not. Rather it is regression.
Lila cannot handle social membership, and because the intellectual
is never in view Lila doesn't know it and Marsha thinks she has gone
beyond it but the 'wisdom' found is only body-centric,
naturistic/narcissistic. It is pre-verbal, pre-personal, pre-mental.
Lila is "nobody", she is "not at home". She is a (n)ever-changing
set of static biological patterns of quality. Socially low,
intellectual-nowhere...and in desperate need of stability.
Of course Phaedrus wants to kill her. "Not the biological Lila, but
the static patterns that were really going to kill her if she didn't
let go". I think what Phaedrus means is that he wants to kill her (
sole) identification of herself with the biological level. To
'escape' into Dynamic Quality i.e. die to this level, die to the
sole identification of the self with biology and transcend into the
social level (at least...one cannot skip levels as Aurobindo and
many others point out), assuming thereby an expanded (self)
consciousness. It does mean a 'birth' in the new and a death of (but
including) the former.
I do hope this makes a little bit of sense. It sure has help me to
understand Marsha's defenses a bit better....not that that is an
excuse!
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