On Apr 10, 2012, at 1:33 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Marsha said to dmb:
>
> You continually present that I am anti-intellectual, but it seems to be just
> what you think, because you never substantiate your accusations by presenting
> an actual quote where I denigrate intellectual patterns, WITH the post
> identifying the quote's context.
>
>
> dmb says:
> Everything you post in this forum is evidence of your anti-intellectualism,
> including all the misunderstood quotes you post and today is no exception.
> Everything is always about killing static patterns, which you take literally
> instead of figuratively.
As I suspected, again we get served more of your regurgitated and
unsubstantiated 'whatever you think'.
> Pirsig means that static patterns should be practiced and mastered until they
> are second-nature but you never pass up a chance to denigrate, undermine and
> destroy intellectual static patterns or otherwise act as if thinking itself
> was your mortal enemy.
Really? First, they are not my words, and, here, a little further into LILA:
"When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of
enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did it
only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time he'd
thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental religious
baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that Westerners go to
if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he saw that
enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the color yellow
is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures accept it and
others screen out recognition of it."
I guess you, dmb, are among the screening-out population.
> Your denials of this anti-intellectualism are not even remotely plausible.
> There are at least a thousand pieces of evidence in the archives. I'd be
> surprised if anyone could find just one nice thing you've ever said about
> intellectual quality. I think the full range of your contemptuous attitude
> extends from a begrudging admission that it can be useful and dismissive
> scoffing to downright hateful. But I do not recall a single drop of
> admiration, "love" or respect in anything you've ever said.
I asked you to substantiate the accusation, but of course you didn't.
> Marsha's usual pattern, as seen today:
> I "love" epistemology and metaphysics, philosophy in general, and above all
> others the MoQ, but still I agree with the saying:
> All conditioned dharmas Are like dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows, Like
> dew drops and a lightning flash. Contemplate them thus.
> “When we confine ourselves to a bubble, a cocoon, a limited sphere, it’s
> difficult for us to see that _all_ our conceptual knowledge floats on the
> surface of the vast sea of Reality, which contains a myriad of other bubbles.
> And from inside any bubble, it’s hard to realize that Truth is _seen_ only
> when our bubble breaks.”(Hagen, Steve, 'Buddhism Is Not What You Think').
> "While sustaining biological and social patterns Kill all intellectual
> patterns. Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality And morality
> will be served."(RMP,'LILA', Chapter 32)
While these statements may represent pointing to the Ultimate Truth, I wouldn't
classify these quotes, from the Diamond Sutra, Steve Hagen and RMP, as
anti-intellectual. I have to wonder about your definition of
Intellectual-quality that you find them to represent something
anti-intellectual. Btw, what is your definition of intellectual static
patterns of value? Since you accuse me of rejecting intellectual value, how
are you defining that level of value?
Further, I don't think it is a legitimate either/or proposition. I have never
rejected the conventional usefulness of static intellectual patterns. They
represent the most evolved static patterns;
I don't reject them. I just acknowledge their limitation.
Have a quality day!
Marsha
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