Craig, I agree there is Quality (Reality), which may be experienced as static (patterned) and/or Dynamic (undifferentiated), or from my particular point-of-view patterned experience and unpatterned experience. Nowhere have I suggested one should rely on ONLY unconceptualized experience, nor is that my understanding of the quotes presented.
Marsha On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:27 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > [Marsha] >> “whatever conceptual model we come up with, it cannot ultimately serve as a >> substitute for Reality. >> And while we might be tempted to shrug off this observation, ignoring its >> implications is potentially devastating." > > [Craig, previously] >> I think just the opposite. >> I think the "conceptual model we come up with" is greater than our Reality. >> For instance, the tetnus germ is no part of my experience. I have never >> perceived it nor have I ever known that >> I was or will be affected by it. It might as well be a theoretical entity. >> Yet I get my tetnus shot--not to do so >> would be "potentially devastating." > > [Marsha] >> Probably this represents a good bit of precautionary, static projection, but >> would you want to conceive of all such >_probabilities_ of 'devastating >> potentiality' as the Ultimate Truth? > > I don't distinguish between the truth & the Ultimate Truth, so it would be > better if I just clarified my previous post. > I take Reality to be the sum of everything that happens any where at any time. > This cannot be captured by any conceptual model and so there will always be > gaps & surprises (happy or devastating). > Within our conceptual model, we say such things as "ants have 6 legs"--even > though we have experience of only a minute proportion of the number of ants > that have ever existed. In that sense our conceptual model is an ambitious > generalization from our experience. But if we relied only on our > unconceptualized experience, we would be risking > "potentially devastating implications". > Pirsig makes this same point in the quote that shows up frequently on MD that > one needs both DQ & sq. > Craig > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
