Hear hear here!
On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:33 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah yes. > > "There is but one Quality and Pirsig is its Prophet" > > Where have I heard that before? > > The scriptures have been written. Now we have the apostles who do the > interpretation. They live high up in a tower cloaked with secrecy. > They provide the prophesies, and tell us what to think. All the while > they turn the pages of that well worn book, looking for answers. > > MoQ is rapidly becoming a dogmatic religion for some. All we need is > the alter; the inquisition is already in place. > > Mark > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Arlo said: >> Right, we have two opposing "descriptions of Quality". We have Pirsig's >> description, and we have the other person's description. I'm not sure what >> is problematic here, it is perfectly coherent to say "Pirsig's MOQ and >> Arlo's MOQ vary on Point A". >> >> dmb says: >> Another good way to think about the difference is to ask two separate >> questions. 1) What does Pirsig mean? and 2) Is Pirsig right? The first >> question is about the best way to read Pirsig's books and the second >> question can't really be asked until the first one has been answered pretty >> well. This is just a matter of logical necessity because one cannot test, >> dispute, affirm or criticize an idea unless and until you know what that >> idea is. The problem is not that somebody might have a way to improve or >> refine Pirsig's work. As a matter of principle, we not only don't want to >> shut that down, it's a hopeful ideal to be aimed for. >> The problem is with the particular people around here who think they have a >> better idea than Pirsig, who think they are masters of the second question >> when in fact they haven't even come close to settling the first question. >> What kind of person can believe they are on a par with Pirsig even though >> they have not done the work, have never written or published a book, and/or >> have no background in philosophy? Can you imagine such an attitude with >> respect to any other discipline? It's like vandalizing a Picasso with finger >> paint and then calling yourself an artistic genius. It's crazy. Its that >> what we mean when we say a person suffers from grandiose delusions. Isn't >> that attitude outrageously arrogant, at best, and more likely the symptom of >> mental illness? Normal people just don't talk like that. >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
