"April is the cruellest month, breeding Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing Memory and desire, stirring Dull roots with spring rain."
On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:52 AM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha to Andre: > > Is this a pronouncement from you as an expert? > > The MOQ, like the Buddhists and the Determinists (odd bedfellows) says this > ?autonomous individual? is an illusion." > (RMP, Copleston) > > The fundamental nature of sq is DQ. > > I was looking for you to present some proof that your interpretation of an > 'I' being present in mindfulness, within the perennial philosophic tradition, > had some validity. > > It's not up to me to make the case for you, one way or another; and your > "suggesting" is not enough to make the case that you are correct. > > I have been describing my own experience of mindfulness, which hasn't been > based on any specific tradition. > > Andre: > I have lined up your responses Marsha and reach the conclusion that this can > go on for ever and ever and I have no inclination of continuing this. My > reasoning? Very simple. You will not be persuaded or convinced or in any > reasonable way accept what I have to say. You want five pages of footnotes > after every sentence I utter and still you will not be accepting. Bottom line > for you will be that it is just my opinion. It makes me feel tired because > the effort I have put in constructing my responses are not taken seriously. > > You drag up the 'autonomous' individual again, the DQ is none other than sq, > The "I" not being there for you, my suggestions are not good enough, and your > experience not being based on any specific tradition. All these things we > hear over and over again and always leaving a way out for you, especially > when seriously considering your last point. So you can always slither out of > it because you are not 'in' it. (Do you actually consider yourself part of > the human race?) > > My suggestions are based on my fairly extensive reading, conversing with like > minded people and my own experience. > Logical refutation you do not accept. Throw 'sand in the bull's eyes' by > continuously questioning the competence of the speaker? Yes, you do. What you > are doing, perhaps inadvertently, is setting up the notion that you indeed > consider yourself to be an autonomous, independent self."Nobody tells me what > to do". "It's my reality, my experience so fuck off". > > So I withdraw from the arena. It is rather useless. As I said before, this > is turning into a childish yes/no, hide and seek game. I ain't playing > anymore Lucy. You are not being reasonable. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
