Hi, Joe --

On Sunday, July 08, 2012 4:02 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Ham,

Metaphysics is a level for discourse beyond mathematical
physics.  To accept ultimate reality metaphysically, is there
an analogy to the experience of beyond-logical Faith in an
indefinable category DQ like emotions?

Well, I suppose that gives me an advantage, since I'm not a physicist or a mathematician ;-). But I don't regard my cosmology as a "beyond-logical Faith" either. Is it illogical to believe there is more to Reality than this world of finite appearances? Does it contradict logic to support the first rule of metaphysics which is 'Ex nihilo nihil fit', (nothing comes from nothingness)? If not, then a primary Source is logically necessary to complete our understanding of Ultimate Reality.

If I understand you correctly, you've asked for an analogy to "the experience" of emotions. One should not need an analogy for something as immanent to the self as emotional experience, unless (like Marsha) you disavow your self. If the analogy you're seeking is for an otherwise "indefinable category" like Essence and our relation to it, what comes to mind is a biological example.

Consider the new Mother whose baby spills from her uterus as a self-aware locus of experience that loves and needs the nurturing of its maternal source while developing the capacity to rationalize this experience.

Essence is our "metaphysical Source" and the ultimate object of the desire and longing which is our relational bond to it. As existents, we are estranged from the beingness of this Source, sensible only of its Value (to us) as differentiated by our experience. Metaphysically speaking, we are autonomous value-sensible creatures in search of our uncreated Source. In this life-experience we bring Being into finitude by negating its "otherness" and incrementally extracting its value for ourselves. The total complement of Value so acquired in this lifetime represents our eternal reality in the Oneness of Essence.

Does this make sense to you, Joe? If so, please feel free to suggest any mathematical equations or logical syllogisms you think will make the overall concept more comprehensible to the typical Pirsigian.

Thanks and essentially yours,
Ham

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On 7/8/12 11:17 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:

Ultimate Reality is strictly a metaphysical issue, and
without acknowledging the sensible agent's relation to the
ultimate source, life has no meaning or purpose beyond
empirical utilitarianism.

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