[John] > according to MOQ, intellect evolves from the social level, not from the > biological. > It seems to be saying that we are born with a blank slate, and concepts get > written on it > entirely from our social interactions...and I can't understand how > there could be no hardware functionality in it at all.
You've hurdled your own impasse: "hardware functionality" is biological; concepts are intellectual. [John] > I feel that I'm not allowed to think of myself as an individual > self, because that would be forbidden SOM thinking. Thinking of individual selves (or individual objects, for that matter) is not SOM. Only thinking that they are most fundamental is SOM. [John] > I can't say I would become "conscious" if I were somehow born as the only > human being on some island. All normal newborns are conscious whenever they're awake, no matter what their environment. [John] > I also feel artificially restrained in the way I'm allowed to say things. All human language is an "artificial restraint" in the way you're allowed to say things. [John] > I'd like to talk about the distinction between self and not self that I feel > from the inside. You're assuming that the feeling that distinguishes self from not-self precedes the language you need to talk about it. How do you know the feeling doesn't arise from learning the language? I recommend Wittgenstein's "Private Language Argument". Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
