Hi Marsh, Dave and all “Love and compassion come from our biological system but it is a combination of sexuality and sociality. It started already with the appearance of sexual reproduction that overthrew reproduction by parthenogenesis. Parthenogenesis is the way bacteria and viruses reproduce. Parthenogenesis leads to identical copies while sexual reproduction produces unique individuals, male and female and with different identities. The origin of sexual reproduction leading to unique individuals was the start of the social level because it demands cooperation to reproduce and defeats the destructive forces of time and age. A reproductive system that had major advantages before the pure organic level. “A species with individual variations has better chances of surviving an attack from a homogenous enemy. The strategy that is easiest to detect where its weak points are revealed loses the game. The strategy that has the best defence system against the other wins. It’s the ‘war of the worlds’ fought by the strategies from each level. For sexual reproduction to continue and survive, male and female must each have a signal system that informs individuals how and when to act and reproduce. These signals must be based on both biological fitness and social affinity.” “So you mean that we are programmed for love, to love a different person?” “Yes. It must be so. If the signal system does not work, there will be no children or it will be children that have a weak signal system for love. Which gives weaker and weaker signals transmitted to the next generation and so on. The function of love is crucial for the human race. To learn how to live and survive, love must be the most important discipline for the human race. With a malfunctioning signal system for love, the human species will be depleted and doomed to extinction.” - - - “I like your hands too, they are soft, and, strong.” Elsa said thoughtfully. “We didn’t say any more. She was listening to the music and I joined in. It was a very good band. They played so softly and perfectly together. Like they did this every day. The music came from inside themselves. It sounded like they were not just playing but more like contemplating today’s fishing or something, bam, boo bam, ta ta baa … in this empty and uncrowded place. It caught me. “Well. Lulu was a professional. She moved closer and let my hand come closer upon her thigh. I liked the contact with her skin …"
excerpt from Money and the Art of Losing Control. We're still speaking of the difference between the biological and the social level, aren't we? Or how's your H2O today – hot or icy? Jan Anders 30 jul 2012 kl. 12.35 skrev MarshaV: > > dmb, > > From LILA's CHILD: > "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality and not the same > thing as quality." > > Rah, rah! Is this textual evidence too? > > > Marsha > > > > On Jul 29, 2012, at 5:04 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Dave Thomas said: >> ...I think one of the weakness of Pirsig's ideas is that it can lead people >> to believe that for instance emotions (supposedly exclusive to the >> biological level) have no effect on reasoning (supposedly exclusive to the >> intellectual level) when in the heat of the moment (even a calm >> contemplative moment) they all may have some influence on decisions. >> >> dmb says: >> Pirsig can lead people to believe that emotions have no effect on reasoning? >> I think it's pretty clear that Pirsig meant to lead people to believe >> exactly the opposite. The notion that passions and emotions cloud our >> judgement goes all the way back to Plato, at least, and we find this in the >> Modern philosophical admiration for interested observation and in scientific >> objectivity but that's what Pirsig is attacking, NOT promoting. He says it >> many times and in many ways but the following quote gets right to the >> point... >> >> >> "In the past our common universe of reason has been in the process of >> escaping, rejecting the romantic, irrational world of prehistoric man. It's >> been necessary since before the time of Socrates to reject the passions, the >> emotions, in order to free the rational mind for an understanding of >> nature's order which was as yet unknown. Now it's time to further an >> understanding of nature's order by reassimilating those passions which were >> originally fled from. The passions, the emotions, the affective domain of >> man's consciousness, are a part of nature's order too. The central part." >> (ZAMM p. 294) >> >> >> Rah, rah. Three cheers for reading comprehension and textual evidence! >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
