Hey Ron, Consider these four slightly different events:
1. Value - the differentiation. 2. Evaluation - good or not good. 3. Judgement - "You dirty rat!". 4. Ego judgement - assigning attribute 'rat' as permanent attribute of other: "Ron is a rat.". Marsha On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > oh sarcasm, a judical response to what I wrote, ok > > Past patterns are past moral judgements are they not? > You judge allright, but what you are saying is that you do not cling > to those judgements as "real". > > Now you are being a bit more honost in your meaning and dialog > > Thank you > > > > > ________________________________ > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 4:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] It's all an analogy. Does this change anything? > > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:36 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Marsha, >> You stated that your understanding is "reality is anything you think" . > > Don't be foolish. That was a bit of a sarcastic reaction to the situation of > your commenting to me that I WAS 'being dishonest' and actually DO 'judge > you.' Patterns, when not paying attention, are what we think and by default > become our reality. Most people accept the thoughts that go through their > mind as reality, but those thoughts are nothing but bits and pieces of past > patterns. What else could they be? Static patterns are all that we can > know: static reality. That includes knowing that St. Petersburg is in Russia > as well as Marsha is acting like Lucy. Thinking of me as Lucy is your > pattern. It probably makes you feel good. What else could it be but static > value, your "reality". Do you think your patterns are just the "good stuff"? > What do you think was the source of your original post to me? Do you > think your reaction was my pattern, and not yours? Did you not experience > your reaction to me as "reality"? It's mostly > nonsense. If I momentarily feel pain > when I sit on the hot stove, does the stove become a bastard? I'm a > radical skeptic, and static patterns are really interesting to me. They > might be mistaken, by me, as my reality, as real so I pay attention. That's > why I watch them, analyze them, so they are seen for what they are: nothing > much, illusion. My reality has become nothing much but looking anew. I > don't pass judgement on you. Nor do I accept your judgements. It's all dust > in the wind. For me it is all about static quality and to the extent we > blindly accept static patterns we are not free. It's about Value(static and > Dynamic), it is not about Marsha or Ron or Lucy or X Acto. > > > Marsha > > > > >> >> I replied that your understanding neglects Quality. >> >> Now, you claimed not to judge me. I stated that I feel differently, that you >> most certainly judge me and I now >> would like to add, so much so that you do not really read what I write. >> >> The question I have is, how did you get the idea that I stated that >> judgement preceeds experience, just where did >> I say such a thing? >> >> -puzzled >> >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] It's all an analogy. Does this change anything? >> >> >> Ron, >> >> I am ignoring value not at all! Value is immediate; later comes the >> judgements. It's about the experience and letting it go. There is no >> reason why an experience needs to proceed to become a judgement. The >> experience is immediate, the judgement may be assigned later, or not. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:27 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> your understanding neglects Quality >>> >>> >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] It's all an analogy. Does this change anything? >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Oh, sure, I understand; reality is whatever you think. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:39 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You most certainly do. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, it's about honosty Marsha. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> .. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 4:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] It's all an analogy. Does this change anything? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> I don't judge you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:22 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just fail to understand why, time and time again, you extend an open >>>>> invitation for >>>>> a discussion then dismiss,evade and ridicule anyone that accepts that >>>>> invitation. >>>>> >>>>> Its not that you are stupid or even inappropriate and chalking up that >>>>> behaviour to being >>>>> "imperfect" and "human" does not even begin to explain nor account for >>>>> the sort of imaturity >>>>> and rudeness it exhibits. >>>>> >>>>> It reaks of a kind of narcisism that a 14yr old would be uncomfortable >>>>> with. >>>>> >>>>> And I'm not much beyond the maturity of a 14yr old. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 9:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] It's all an analogy. Does this change anything? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron, >>>>> >>>>> You are correct again. I am sometimes inappropriate and stupid, but if I >>>>> didn't allow myself to expose such vulnerabilities, I wouldn't be human. >>>>> I am human and imperfect, and I care about other imperfect humans. It is >>>>> what it is. I am sorry that you are offended. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:43 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha, >>>>>> You are wonderful!! you are so wise! you really showed him! you are so >>>>>> highly intelligent >>>>>> and selfless! I'm in awe of your genius! I want to be just like you. I >>>>>> think we should all stop posting >>>>>> and just read what you have to say about everything!! 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