Hi Joe,
I am not sure about the emptiness.  It is only empty if you expect to find some 
thing.  As it is, we create such things.  We do not create them out of nothing. 
 So it is far from empty.

Consider the ghost (or structure) of reason.  We build it.  We do not replace 
emptiness with this ghost.  MOQ is such a ghost.  What we are is creativity.


Mark

On Aug 24, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Joseph  Maurer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> O as nothing is indefinable.  O as pre-intellectual is open to an emotional
> emptiness, perception, enabling Pirsig to describe metaphysics as DQ/SQ.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 8/23/12 9:40 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> However, you point out a difference, in common perception, between
>> physics and metaphysics when you state that DQ cannot be assigned a
>> value.  However, if you think about it, what is zero?  Basically it is
>> the absence of "Some Thing".  We could say that DQ is also the absence
>> of "Some Thing".  So I wouldn't necessarily say that they are not an
>> expression for the same "thing".
> 
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