Hi Ron,
On Sep 3, 2012, at 4:06 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:13 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> QUOTES FROM PIRSIG that I take as evidence for the claim that static >> patterns are a necessary ingredient for dynamic freedom and the art of >> rationality. I take this as evidence against relativism ..., which has >> infected a few MOQers." > > Marsha: > Speaking of being relative, try this: > > Anthony writes: > “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and, trial by > jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic notion of truth so > truth is seen as relative in his system while Quality is seen as absolute. > In consequence, the truth is defined as the highest quality intellectual > explanation at a given time. > > RMP: > If the past is any guide to the future this explanation must be taken > provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then > examine intellectual realities the same way he examines paintings of in an > art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the ‘real’ painting, > but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are many sets of > intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more > quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result our history > and current patterns of values. (Pirsig, 1991, p.103)” > > (McWatt, Anthony, 'MOQ Textbook') > > Ron responds: > Well, if one looks past the semantics, what Ant and RMP are saying is that > truth is"the highest quality intellectual > explanation" taking into account that MoQ's intellectual explanation of truth > is the Dynamic cutting edge of > experience, not that truth does not exist, or that it is simply a matter of > opinion, but the most empirically verifyable > experience there is,the immediate NOW. High quality EXPLANATIONS are relative > to culture, history and > current values.BUT QUALITY is seen as absolute. Relative to one's history, one's current patterns of value, and the dynamics "at a given time." Relative is relative (Whether you agree with it or not.); and the statement was "the MOQ follows a pragmatic notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system". Of course 'truth' exists; it is an intellectual static pattern of value. > We can sling Quotes all week, Dozens of naked quotes (unadored by explanation) that dmb magically insinuate support his view. Why whine to me? > but once we start using our brains, it's this explanation that holds the > greatest > contextual meaning. Whether you agree with it or not. > > Pragmatists win this one hands down. Sure, and I've already acknowledged that pragmatic means useful and/or practical. I can agree with that. Static patterns of value continue to exist because they are useful. It is nice that we agree. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
