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A morality with 42 "shades of color". Jan Anders 6 sep 2012 kl. 00.21 skrev david buchanan: > > Dan Glover said to dmb: > ....why don't you address the real question? I mean, these are all great > quotes and all but they tell me nothing about your labeling freedom as > negative. Do you have even one shred of evidence that Robert Pirsig writes > about negative freedom? If so, I would love to see it. And more, I will admit > I am mistaken. > > > dmb says: > One shred and you'll admit that you're mistaken? Okay, I'm very skeptical > about any such admission but here you go... > > "The hippies had in mind something that they wanted, and were calling it > "freedom," but in the final analysis "freedom" is a purely NEGATIVE goal." > > In the afterward to ZMM, Pirsig says his book "offers something larger than > mere freedom. It gives a POSITIVE goal to work toward that does not confine." > > "The hippies had in mind something that they wanted, and were calling it > “freedom,” but in the final analysis “freedom” is a purely NEGATIVE goal. It > just says something is bad. Hippies weren’t really offering any alternatives > other than colorful short-term ones, and some of these were looking more and > more like pure DEGENERACY. Degeneracy can be fun but it’s hard to keep up as > a serious lifetime occupation." > > "When they call it freedom, that's not right. 'Freedom' doesn't mean > anything. Freedom's just an ESCAPE from something NEGATIVE. The real reason > it's so hallowed is that when people talk about it they mean Dynamic Quality." > > "...when you add a concept of "Dynamic Quality" to a rational understanding > of the world, you can add a lot to an understanding of contrarians. Some of > them aren't just being NEGATIVE toward static moral patterns, they are > actively pursuing a DYNAMIC GOAL." > > "Everybody gets on these NEGATIVE contrarian streaks from time to time, where > no matter what it is they're supposed to be doing, that's the one thing they > least want to do. Sometimes it's a DEGENERATE NEGATIVISM, where biological > forces are driving it. Sometimes it's an ego pattern that says, "I'm too > important to be doing all this DUMB STATIC STUFF." > > AND here's one where we see the CONCEPT in other terms, same idea in other > words. > > "But sometimes it's Dynamic, where your whole being senses that the static > situation is an enemy of life itself. That's what drives the really CREATIVE > people -the artists, composers, revolutionaries and the like- ...But they're > not being contrary in a way that is just DECADENT. They're way too energetic > and aggressive to be decadent. They're fighting for some kind of DYNAMIC > FREEDOM from the static patterns. But the DYNAMIC FREEDOM they're FIGHTING > FOR is a kind of morality too." > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
