dmb said:
One of the sources of confusion here is that you're both reading my claims as
if I were talking about the mystic reality or Dynamic Quality itself - even
though I keep telling that I'm not talking about mysticism or the ultimate
reality. Obviously, we need to be on the same topic if we're going to
understand each other. Please hear me and believe me. ...By switching the topic
over to the mystic reality, you will certainly misunderstand what I'm saying.
David Harding replied:
...I have no disagreement with you on content, just the words that you are
using. In fact, it's just one word - positive. I have an issue with
associating 'Dynamic freedom' with 'positive freedom'. However loosely you
want to say that association is, Dynamic freedom is the freedom one experiences
as a result of Dynamic Quality. If you associate that freedom with something
positive then you are logically associating Dynamic Quality with something
positive. ...To call that freedom 'positive freedom' is a huge misnomer
because it associates Dynamic Quality with something positive. I only disagree
with you on names not content.
dmb says:
You are doing exactly what I asked you not to do. You are treating my comments
as if I am talking about DQ itself. I'm not. In Pirsig's example of jumping off
the hot stove, for example, DQ is quite negative and so it is with the ameba
that swims away from sulfuric acid. I'm not associating DQ with the "positive"
because that simply not what I talking about AND even if I were talking about
DQ I wouldn't make that claim.
The phrase "positive freedom" is not a name or label for DQ. And I'd happily
give up that particular word ("positive") if I thought it would help to stop
the confusion. The IDEA is what I want to get across, after all, and there are
other terms to use in making this point, in making the distinction between
mastery of static patterns (positive freedom) and escape or rejection of static
patterns (negative freedom).
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