Just one point, one without much bearing on the substance of the issue....

David H said to dmb:
Finally, as an aside - your frustrations with misunderstandings and 
disagreements here I find rather curious..  Of course we are going to have 
disagreements and struggle to explain our ideas so that others understand them. 
 This is what the MD is all about IMHO.  We are here to explain our 
understanding of the MOQ to others.  If someone's ideas are better than my own, 
I'll tell them.  If I don't think what they say explains my experience as good 
as it could I'll tell them.  Philosophy discussion is never easy. But I'd argue 
that through that struggle it's rewarding as well...



dmb says:

I'm not frustrated by disagreements and everybody knows that philosophical 
issues are not easy to talk about. What bugs me are the little stupidities like 
demanding evidence AFTER it has already been given several times, like asking 
questions that have already been answered several times. It's the lazy readers 
who make you say everything five times. That's what bugs me. It has to put some 
kind of put-on because no fan of philosophy could be that bad at reading. 
Frankly, I think it's contemptible, gumption-sucking bullshit and I hate it.    
                                        
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