[DMB] I agree. If everything outside the MOQ is viewed as SOM, then that view will simply dismiss academia, science and philosophy. It's not very hard to see how this absurd position leads directly to an excessively robust anti-intellectualism.
[Arlo] Right, and I'd re-emphasize it ignores the impact of SOM in the larger populations or other sub-populations. This is a larger concern to me, and reflects a greater ill in the West than simply its impact on academia. In the larger world, SOM drives a malignant consumerism that has only gotten worse since ZMM, and I think this is one reason why Pirsig wrote with a larger audience than philosophy faculty. If you could solve or repair the damages of SOM by convincing a few department heads to add a MOQ course to their curriculum, I am sure he would have written accordingly. But the problem does not begin or end within the confines of the halls of the Academy. It is a larger, culturally-embedded problem, and needs to be seen as not simply a problem of the Academy. [DMB] Bashing academia is NOT heroic - not unless you have something better to offer. In fact, it's not even interesting. People who do that, I just assume they're some kind of right-wing ignoramus. Sorry. [Arlo] Don't apologize to me, I'm with you on that. I know many from various backgrounds that, often correctly, are critical of structural problems in the Academy (as we should be of all structures), but only that one group that seems to ipso facto both renounce and demonize the Academy *as* a structure. By the way, to cross facebook and MD topics, the motorcycle is in storage until spring, and if I don't regain the ability to lock my elbow I will be forced to sell it then. So you have some time to improve your offer ... lol...:-)... wrist healing nicely so far. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
