dmb, Oh my, I am sure you will be well someday soon. Was it another fall trying to kick an imaginary football again?
Marsha On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:13 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Horse and all MOQers: > I don't know how closely you've been following this thread but I think it > practically makes a case, all by itself, that Marsha is trashing this place. > She's not the only one, of course, but she is the "star" of this thread. > Off-line correspondence between Glover and Harding was posted in this forum > and now it's about off-line correspondence between myself and John. In both > cases, the off-line communication was about the quality of moq_discuss, with > various complaints being leveled against various kinds of pollution. Marsha's > reaction more or less proves that the complaints about her have real merit. > > She issued insulting and outlandishly hypocritical complaints about trading > in mere gossip and then proceeded to drudge up more gossip. She righteously > promised never to do it again but then reminded everyone that this private > correspondence could be found in the archives, which is just a cowardly and > lazy way to break that promise, or at least the spirit of it. She denied that > there was any spite or hate in her betrayal and then, moments later, > explained that she did it because she was so angry that she felt ill. And > that's just from the most recent posts today! > > I don't think it takes a big, hairy snob to say that just isn't good enough. > That level of vitriol and incoherence (or hypocrisy) is not acceptable. As > Dan said in that private letter, it's gotten to the point where I'm ashamed > to be associated with the place. It's embarrassing. Don't get me wrong. I > like a good zinger as much as the next guy and wouldn't even want it to be > all sweetness. And I'm not saying participants need some kind of formal > education or that they be brilliant somehow. But the place really needs a > tougher doorman. She simply isn't interested in doing what this place was > built to do; discuss the MOQ. The pattern is to insult the critic and evade > the criticism. It's been going on for years and still refuses to engage in > any discussion of substance. Why should this be allowed? I really don't why > anyone would want to defend her presence here. As an example of how not to do > it? > > I think Pirsig deserves excellence and ideally one of the best philosophy > forums on the internet but the vast majority of postings aren't even remotely > respectable. It breaks my heart to think what that must do to Pirsig's > reputation. This is not meant as a criticism of Horse, except that it does > suggest he might be too nice. > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:41:11 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MD] What's up? >> >> >> dmb, >> >> You also neglected to include the nasty, insulting, degrading comment you >> wrote to John. I very seldom get angry, but your comment to John made me >> ill. It's available in the archives for those who wish glimpse your >> intellectual arrogance. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:16 PM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> Hi dmb, >>> >>> Yes, I did, and I was warned by Horse never to do it again. I never did. >>> And it was not clear that it was worse than gossip; not clear at all. And >>> personally I don't gossip offlist. If I have a grievance, I'd rather >>> confront the person directly. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:50 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Marsha said to David Harding: >>>> >>>> If, without permission, you published Dan's personal correspondence to >>>> further your own personal desire to make your point, I think your behavior >>>> lower than a common gossip. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> dmb says: >>>> >>>> Oh, that's rich coming from you. About two years ago you deliberately >>>> published my personal correspondence to John without permission from >>>> either of us. It was pretty clear that this deed was even worse than petty >>>> gossip. It was a spiteful, hateful, betrayal of common decency. >>>> >>>> At the time, Marsha said: >>>> "Hi John, I can only wonder at what other kind of offlist conniving dmb >>>> uses to bully, shame and control the MD. Head, hand and heart? Right, >>>> but not for dmb. He's got a swollen head, a shrunken mind and no heart. >>>> The MoQ is suppose to be a philosophy of head, heart and hand. Ignore >>>> him. He's small. p.s. Since I do not speak negatively about people >>>> offlist, I feel I need to forward this to the group. Sorry John." >>>> >>>> Likewise, Marsha said to Ian at the time: >>>> "That's find [sic] Ian. But I think the heart part is too often missing >>>> on the MD. But maybe that's just me. I put the post to the MD because I >>>> needed to. I have apologized to John." >>>> >>>> Apparently, Marsha, your morals are about as consistent as your logic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
