dmb,
> As a consequence, Nietzsche says, the “virtuous hero must henceforth be a > dialectician” because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected such > that “Truth” is the highest good. I am not questioning your paper. My interest is in one particular sentence. Regardless of the context of your paragraph and without your explanations, my request is for the text that represents the second half of the above sentence 'because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected such that “Truth” is the highest good.' I am interested in what Nietzsche wrote. My interest is in the ACTUAL TEXT from which you extracted this paraphrasing. Or do you think that you can construct from Nietzsche's 'The Birth of Tragedy' whatever you wish? Was this portion of your sentence/paper just bullpoop constructed to embellish a weak argument or is the paraphrasing based on actual statements made by Nietzsche? That is the question? Where are the actual statements by Nietzsche that support your paraphrasing? Marsha On Oct 9, 2012, at 1:52 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > dmb said: > > If you believe Plato, then the answer is “yes”. If all of philosophy is a > footnote to Plato, then the artists have been subordinated to the > philosophers for about 25 centuries. According to Plato’s Republic, > especially the last section, the artists present a danger to society and to > your soul. Two of my favorite thinkers disagree with Plato and Socrates on > this point. Friedrich Nietzsche and Robert Pirsig both make a case that there > is something terribly wrong with this Platonic legacy. In one of Nietzsche’s > earliest works, The Birth of Tragedy, he asks us to consider the consequences > of the Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge, that all sins arise from > ignorance, and only the virtuous are happy. As a consequence, Nietzsche says, > the “virtuous hero must henceforth be a dialectician” because virtue and > knowledge are necessarily connected such that “Truth” is the highest good. > > Mayrsha asked about the last sentence: > Read the sentence. It's a statement of what Nietzsche SAYS, and WHY he says > it. If Nietzsche ever stated that any kind of truth "is the highest good" > then I would like to read the original text that supports this paraphrasing. > You did not write "Nietzsche ironically says", nor did you present the WHY > (because) as your (dmb's) conclusion. So again, if this second half of the > sentence was paraphrasing where is the original text. If not who's > conclusion is it? ...I am just requesting the original text (not book) where > you've paraphrase "because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected > such that “Truth” is the highest good." > > dmb says: > Oh, now I see what you're asking. Your question is predicated upon a > misreading or misunderstanding. As you read it, Nietzsche is advocating the > Platonic legacy rather than attacking it and complaining. Even though I say > explicitly that Nietzsche is making a case "that there is something terribly > wrong with the Platonic legacy" and I say explicitly that "the consequences > of the Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge", you've somehow managed to > confuse Plato view with Nietzsche's. > > Nietzsche and Pirsig are both OPPOSED to the idea that "Truth is the highest > good". Nietzsche is OPPOSED to the idea that, as he puts it, "the virtuous > hero must henceforth be a dialectician". It is Socrates, not Nietzsche, who > thinks the dialectic is "the highest exercise of man’s powers, nature’s most > admirable gift" such that all moral accomplishments, noble deeds, and heroism > is "ultimately derived from the dialectic of knowledge". This is Nietzsche > describing the PROBLEM, not his own position. > > The sentence you're asking about begins with the phrase, "as a consequence" > and that phrase is being used to connect with the previous sentence, which > says that Nietzsche is asking us "to consider the consequences of the > Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge". Even further, the sentence you're > asking about is followed immediately by a block quote from Nietzsche wherein > he twice names Socrates as the culprit! > > snip... > ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
