Dave, What can you expect from a troll. Trolling just ruins the entire motivating factor of being on a philosophy forum. I know I need a break from it. It's depressing. -Ron
________________________________ From: david buchanan <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The Art of Philosophy Marsha keeps asking the same question: My interest is in one particular sentence. Regardless of the context of your paragraph and without your explanations, my request is for the text that represents the second half of the above sentence 'because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected such that “Truth” is the highest good.' I am interested in what Nietzsche wrote. My interest is in the ACTUAL TEXT from which you extracted this paraphrasing. dmb says: Sigh. How can I make it any clearer? It was always clear. As I originally constructed it, the "paraphrased" section is immediately preceded AND followed by quotes from Nietzsche. I'm paraphrasing that quoted text from The Birth of Tragedy. It's right there in front of you and always was. LOOK! Nietzsche says, the “virtuous hero must henceforth be a dialectician” dmb says, because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected such that “Truth” is the highest good. Nietzsche says, “Socrates and his successors,.. have considered all moral and sentimental accomplishments ...to be ultimately derived from the dialectic of knowledge,..” So now you're persisting with the question simply because you can't recognize that these three lines all say the same thing, are different ways to articulate the same meaning. If you understood that meaning, then you would NOT be asking a question that never needed to be asked in the first place. The question is based on nothing except your own inability to derive meaning from the written word. Thanks for wasting everyone's time, yet again. I'm done. Don't be surprised if I just go back to ignoring your nonsense. > > dmb said: > > > > If you believe Plato, then the answer is “yes”. If all of philosophy is a > > footnote to Plato, then the artists have been subordinated to the > > philosophers for about 25 centuries. According to Plato’s Republic, > > especially the last section, the artists present a danger to society and to > > your soul. Two of my favorite thinkers disagree with Plato and Socrates on > > this point. Friedrich Nietzsche and Robert Pirsig both make a case that > > there is something terribly wrong with this Platonic legacy. In one of > > Nietzsche’s earliest works, The Birth of Tragedy, he asks us to consider > > the consequences of the Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge, that all > > sins arise from ignorance, and only the virtuous are happy. As a > > consequence, Nietzsche says, the “virtuous hero must henceforth be a > > dialectician” because virtue and knowledge are necessarily connected such > > that “Truth” is the highest good. > > > > Mayrsha asked about the last sentence: > > Read the sentence. It's a statement of what Nietzsche SAYS, and WHY he > > says it. If Nietzsche ever stated that any kind of truth "is the highest > > good" then I would like to read the original text that supports this > > paraphrasing. You did not write "Nietzsche ironically says", nor did you > > present the WHY (because) as your (dmb's) conclusion. So again, if this > > second half of the sentence was paraphrasing where is the original text. > > If not who's conclusion is it? ...I am just requesting the original text > > (not book) where you've paraphrase "because virtue and knowledge are > > necessarily connected such that “Truth” is the highest good." > > > > dmb says: > > Oh, now I see what you're asking. Your question is predicated upon a > > misreading or misunderstanding. As you read it, Nietzsche is advocating the > > Platonic legacy rather than attacking it and complaining. Even though I say > > explicitly that Nietzsche is making a case "that there is something > > terribly wrong with the Platonic legacy" and I say explicitly that "the > > consequences of the Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge", you've somehow > > managed to confuse Plato view with Nietzsche's. > > > > Nietzsche and Pirsig are both OPPOSED to the idea that "Truth is the > > highest good". Nietzsche is OPPOSED to the idea that, as he puts it, "the > > virtuous hero must henceforth be a dialectician". It is Socrates, not > > Nietzsche, who thinks the dialectic is "the highest exercise of man’s > > powers, nature’s most admirable gift" such that all moral accomplishments, > > noble deeds, and heroism is "ultimately derived from the dialectic of > > knowledge". This is Nietzsche describing the PROBLEM, not his own position. > > > > The sentence you're asking about begins with the phrase, "as a consequence" > > and that phrase is being used to connect with the previous sentence, which > > says that Nietzsche is asking us "to consider the consequences of the > > Socratic idea that virtue is knowledge". Even further, the sentence you're > > asking about is followed immediately by a block quote from Nietzsche > > wherein he twice names Socrates as the culprit! > > > > snip... > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
