Hi yet another David, I'd like to expand your banana experience a little.
On Monday afternoon you return from grocery with a bunch of five bananas. You hang them on a hook in plain view, one clearly closest to you. Tuesday through Friday morning you take one banana from the back of the bunch and eat it. On Friday evening you pack up an leave for a three day weekend arriving back late Monday night. On Tuesday morning you go to the kitchen and hanging there you are confronted with a black mushy bag circled by fruit flies. It is the exact banana you have experienced at least six times before. This is not a new experience, if fact it is very similar the pattern you have experienced with bananas left alone before. In fact it is such a stable pattern you could developed a theory for it stating "Bananas, if left alone for about a week, rot." The question is that what you normally do? Is the dynamic nature of bananas rotting really better understood as a static intellectual pattern somehow separate and apart from the static biological pattern? And in either are the patterns really static in anything but name? I don't know about you, but in this scenario each time I grab a banana to eat, little subtitles don't scroll across my mind with words or concepts like a TV programmed for the hearing impaired. Over the course of the five events when I experience this banana, if I pay attention, the visual patterns will progress from yellow with green patches thru yellow with some brown, to a black mushy bag and I deduces that it really is changing gradually all the time. I could confirm it with a Andy Warhol like seven day video called "Bananas Rot." All visual, no words or concepts necessary. IMHO the bulk of all our sensations are processed in just this way. The mistake as I see it is confusing sensation (input) with mental or brain operations (processing) with (output) verbal patterns, words, concepts and theories to either memory, speech, or writing for sharing that experience. Writers, philosophers in particular, have what might be called "writer's bias." They want and think that what they do to be the highest and best thing humans do. It is very important and to communicate clearly is valuable. To do this it is valuable that words and their meanings are very stable, but to claim that they are fixed, eternal pushes this desire too far. To claim that all processed experience is intellectual (ie converted to words, verbal concepts and theories) or must be for storage in memory is erroneous. To claim experience patterns are static, merely to separate them from theoretical "pure experience" is misleading and misrepresents the valuable dynamic processes of the brain. IMHO. I also understand that all of the Orthodox MoQers will vehemently object to this entire post. Using the methods of Analytic and Viennese schools of thought which RMP hoped to avoid they will chapter and verse show that not only I am wrong, but hopelessly ignorant. Like 99% of all real folks. Dave > Hi all > > Let's eat a banana, and then eat another one, and experience its full > flavour. > > I assume that as they are both bananas they have much in common, that this > is the sort of pattern we can experience that we wish to call SQ. > > Of course, no two bananas are exactly the same, although they have a certain > level of similarity/SQ. > > Each banana was grown in a different place, in a different soil, under a sun > on different days, etc. So each banana is a bit different and we may well > experience this difference in their taste and so they experience two > different > varieties of the full range of possible flavours for individual bananas. And > this is a significant part of what we mean by difference/DQ/uniqueness. > > Do we all agree with the above dear MOQers or not? > > All the best > David M > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
