Hi Ham 2 mar 2013 kl. 19:26 skrev "Hamilton Priday" <[email protected]>:
> Hello there, JAN -- > > On Thurs., 2/28/13 7:58 AM, "Jan Anders Andersson" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi again Ham >> >> My static name pattern is Jan Anders, Not Ian (Glendinning?) > > My apologies, Jan. I misread the 'J' for an 'I'. Guess I'm overdue for new > new pair of glasses. (;-] Apology accepted. > > Jan, responding to my 2/27 message: >> I see MOQ as an intellectual tool for "maintaining processes". Where one >> crucial element of maintaining a process > is feedback - experience. Getting >> feedback is an activity of defining values. Without feedback a value-sensible >> agent will not be able to make the right choice that leads to a change. A >> change into betterness will be >> unreachable without the experience from the actual process status. (Watch >> your step!) But knowing the actual >> state is not enough, you must have an experience from what it might be, also >> together with experience from >> earlier processes. >> >> In my book MALC I presented a whole arsenal of different feedback-values, at >> all levels, so the reader could have >> something to identify his own life-process to. Plus a little hint of what is >> the ultimate base for excellence. Marsha > read it twice and she told me she >> laughed several times while reading it. I like that. >> >> The Source in us is still indefinable, just because we aren't finished yet >> and we are still free to change. >> "Change will not come if we wait for some other person other time. We are >> the one's we've been waiting for. >> We are the change that we see." Barack Obama >> >> Change is not material, it's essential. > > If you are speaking as a 'logical positivist', I can well appreciate the need > for "feedback" in maintaining any process. After all, it is a > cause-and-effect world that we experience -- a self-constructed reality based > on changing sensory inputs. However, apart from practical concerns, I don't > see heaping one process change upon another as a guide to "excellence" in a > moral or philosophical sense. If that was Pirsig's aim in publishing two > books on the Metaphysics of Quality, I would be sadly disappointed. > > Yes, we are "free to change". But change is itself is intrinsic to Nature. > And while intuiting "what it might be" may lead to an improved result, it > would appear that your objective here is simply to manipulate objects in an > experiential environment rather than enhance our understanding of Ultimate > Reality and the purpose of our journey through it. Self-improvement, it > seems to me, is the "essential" goal. And this can only be achieved via the > study of philosophy, and metaphysics in particular. > > I'm also sorry that you chose Obama's campaign quote to illustrate your > point. Doesn't it strike you as the height of arrogance for the elected > president of a free republic to claim to his constituency that "WE are the > ones WE've been waiting for"? I don't put the weight upon just these words in that quote, but as I said earlier, a text is like a mirror and you'll only see what you're reading in it. My focus was aimed at the word "change", not the undefinable self behind "we" or them, or us. > > But thanks for the clarification of your book on feedback values. I shall > have to add MALC to my collection. Where can I purchase it? > Get it free from iTunes if you are the happy owner of an iPador iPhone, nice colored version incl. 18 audio tracks. http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/money-art-losing-control/id519611956?mt=11 Amazon/Kindle, for Kindle ebook reader; colored, but no audio. The paperback version have a Few Shades of Grey... http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22money+and+the+art+of+losing+control%22 Barnes & Noble: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/money-and-the-art-of-losing-control-jan-anders-andersson/1112394981 > Yours respectfully, > -- Ham > Best wishes Jan Anders > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
