Yes, and it becomes very descriptive when we look at circular vawes in water spreading from an event like a raindrops on a pond. The growing rings describes well the static roundness of the circle AND the change of its size and height in time, as a result from the direct conditions. What does that tell us?
Using bananas in the same way is a little bit more tricky I think, but they all get brown in the end. Jan Anders 1 mar 2013 kl. 14:14 skrev ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR <[email protected]>: > [DMB] > The pattern "banana" doesn't cause the experience, the experience causes the > banana. > > [Arlo] > Absolutely, and well said. This is about as *critical* a point about Pirsig's > ideas as one could make. > > "This means Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and > object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from > the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and > objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!" > (ZMM) > > "The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The > present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, > because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always > unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and > therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the > intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. This > preintellectual reality is what Phædrus felt he had properly identified as > Quality. Since all intellectually identifiable things must emerge from this > preintellectual reality, Quality is the parent, the source of all subjects > and objects." (ZMM) > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
