[David]
Overheard in Helen Keller's dining room:
"How are we going to feed her before she learns the word for mouth?"

[Arlo]
I don't know what your point is, either to say (1) I don't understand Pirsig's 
basic distinction, or (2) I disagree with Pirsig's basic distinction, since 
these words evidence both, but either way there is little I can add to these. 

[Jan Anders]
Yes, and it becomes very descriptive when we look at circular vawes in water 
spreading from an event like a raindrops on a pond. The growing rings describes 
well the static roundness of the circle AND the change of its size and height 
in time, as a result from the direct conditions. What does that tell us?

[Arlo]
I like the ripples/pond analogy. It captures the emergent nature of subsequent 
levels, and it captures the (agenic)expansionist nature of subsequent levels. I 
like your use of the analogy to describe varying degrees of persistence 
(durability and diffusion) as deriving (depending as it were) on the Quality 
event. 


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