[Horse to Krimel] To me it looks like you've been trying to provoke a fight for the last couple of days and to be honest I've got better things to spend my time on.
[Arlo] Yeah, I agree. This is just the latest reboot of the "Enlightened Prophet Saves Pirsig From Himself" franchise. Its a tired story. And while I'm sure Krimel thinks HIS enlightened prophet schtick is novel and different, its really neither. [DMB to Krimel] I don't know how many times this has to been placed before your eyes already, but apparently you are not seeing it. [Arlo] On a simple level, its confirmation bias, of course. Part of the "enlightened prophet" schtick is to simply reject any and all evidence that challenges your claim. I mean, its not rocket science that in order to make his "enlightened salvation of Pirsig" work he has to openly and aggressively reject Pirsig's text as authority on Pirsig's views. Add a splash of "martyr assaulting the orthodoxy" and pinch of deconstructionism-as-relativism and, as Kirk might say, you have the Kobayashi Maru. Sadly, this wouldn't need to escalate to the level of hostility, it would be a simple statement for Krimel to say "Pirsig was wrong, and here's what I think is better." Instead we end up with some Pirsig-as-Authority-on-Pirsig-rejecting, salvation-reconstruction that is not just an 'equally valid' interpretation of Pirsig, but the one that rescues the poor author from his own stupidity and timidity (and us along the way). And if that sounds familiar, well, like I said its this year's reboot of the all too familiar franchise. [DMB to Krimel] The opening line of the Tao Te Ching says, "The Tao that can be named is not the true Tao" and in ZAMM he translates this into, "The quality that can be defined is not the Absolute Quality". The Tao, like Quality in ZAMM or DQ in Lila, cannot be named because names are static and Dynamic Quality is not. [Arlo] Right. Krimel still hasn't answered with examples of "downside of DQ", but given that expression alone its a clear rejection (and misunderstanding) of Pirsig's Dynamic Quality. My guess is that Krimel's DQ is "chaos", the destroyer/transformer Shiva, the "darkness" opposite the "light"- since he's adopted the Yin-Yang terminology, and the use of "downside" would indicate a correlation to the Shiva/Vishnu relationship in the Trimurti rather than a mutually positive relation like "masculine/feminine" or "active/passive" or even "sun/moon" in contrast to "light/dark". But let's face it, there is no dialogue here. There is the glorious martyr descending into the mud to rescue the swine. [Krimel] I'm trying to correct some of the more stupid things some of you people have been saying while I was gone. [Arlo] Right. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
