25 mar 2013 kl. 01.14 Carrie Cisneros wrote: > Mr. JanAnders, > > How do you do?
Hello Carrie I'm fine, thank you.. how about you, ditched at the German roadside? > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> Marsha >> >> What can be said? >> >> I think this is what Lila (and ZAMM) is about. Also, I wrote a book called >> "Money and the Art of Losing Control", which you have read twice, at least. >> In that book there are numerous of hints to how to understand Dynamic >> Quality. >> Excellence is an act of balance, therefore DQ is impossible to define in >> any other way than trying to stay on the line as long as possible. >> > > > So there is a falling off to the left, or a falling off to the right, or > there is a will to stay upright between the two. Right or left are > patterns of stucknicity, right? Crash and burn time? no more going > forward? Nice. I like your analogy there, Jan. Thanks. Here is some more about keeping the balance: Coincidentally, or just by DQ, I wrote a Haiku-like poem some days ago. Dedicated to Ant's friend Sally. It goes like this: Love is blind, and sensible With a fingertip at your heart I can see. What I mean is that Logic isn't all. Emotions gives another picture. In MALC I think I've found a way to combine logic AND sensory thinking. I am not sure that it is enough using logic to understand Pirsig and the MOQ, because, regarding the self or no self dilemma, I think it is correct that we cannot define the self logically in the same manner as we cannot define Quality logically. Still, the High Quality Idea that makes any thinker to be absolutely clear about thought and experience as a really existing activity because without thinking it is impossible to ask that question. "Cogito ergo sum" will be valid for a long time. It's not just working for people in France. You are, you are one and you are someone. If you think you are two, call a schrink. The personal center for every living event, living process, around which all activities and changes are judged, valued and handled, are unique and different to any other. Therefore it has some kind of personal quality element. This is form, uniqueness. I am not like you. The communication between processes, between events and values, even morals, are the arena for the start of new events and new balance points. It's happening all the time, as rain drops on water, a permanent quality noise. But maybe I like you. We know the difference between the four levels, know how to balance at each level. We know the difference between: Physical issues; e.g. Water, heat, protection from cold and poison. Biological issues; e.g. Sleep, healthy food, sexual activities to breed, protection from viruses and other harmful life forms. Social issues; e.g. Social group identity, sexual activities to socialize, a group mission and social position, celebrity. Intellectual issues; e.g. Education, information and language. Memories. Freedom and what is normal is different at each level for example. It is quite stupid to arrange a social event following biological standards. Don't drive drunk etc. Also, to know when it is appropriate to increase or decrease the amount (1), or rearranging the system of components (2), or to pick up the right tool, choose the right word or the right cup of tea to fit the situation, (3) is attempts to find the balancing point for the actual process. It is a 3-dimensional issue, here. If we are talking about your own process we can call this balancing point for your "self", your center base for what you like or value in your life. This is a DQ perspective on what it is to be someone, to have a self. Even if this self is "mystic", it's still your own property, your identity. To better know yourself then, following the MOQ, you should not focus inwards to the center of yourself, because that only leads into an undefined void. One that wants to find a stable base should rather follow the paths that are unchanged through the life, this is the Classic side of your Static Quality patter, because these unchanged paths are pointing back to the ori gin, the balancing point. And, also, to better know yourself, put another part of your focus on how to know the actual ever-changing, almost direct experience of how it is now, which is the Romantic side of your Static Quality pattern, because together these experiences together will make some sort of summarizing characteristics. A main problem here is that when you're finished, i. e. dead, it will be too late to use this experience. An elegant solution to that is the short cut to apply statistical selection methods on it. But be careful, I heard a man complaining after the police gave him a fine for redlight driving, " but it use to be green".... We know that there are a lot of people that do bad choices and grow themselves big and fat instead of doing something smart and healthy. Some people talk too much, and some people are using the wrong words. These are all signs of an absence of knowledge of the difference between these 'dimensions'. Some economists pledge for more and more money instead of using the money in a different way. More clay anyone? Jan Anders > > > >> It is an act of balance in three aspects of DQ; Amount, Form and >> Interaction. Yes, these are Static patterns but they stem from different >> aspects OF Dynamic Quality. >> 1. Dynamic Quality IS, as we can prove its Impact upon Static Quality. DQ >> is just enough, too, or SQ will expand or diminish. >> 2. DQ has Form as it causes Differences, different Values, different >> static patterns, both this and that as it is impossible to define >> completely.... >> 3. DQ Interacts with SQ or there would be no experience at all. >> >> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the inorganic level. >> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the organic level. >> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the social level. >> DQ creates (and destroys) static patterns at the intellectual level. >> >> Rock stars and political ideas come and go. Polticians who doesn't know >> the difference between organic and social values tend to choose the wrong >> tool to maintain their society. Motorcycle repair men who doesn't know the >> difference between material and social qualities appear quite odd to the >> customer. >> >> Contributors to this forum (MD) with a lack of humbleness tend to be >> seriously beaten literally, but words doesn't hurt, or? >> >> I think pottery is fine quality excercise. It's heavy but not too heavy, >> it's plastic and hard, and it can be used. 1,2, 3. >> >> Best wishes >> >> JanAnders >> >> > one of my favorite classes ever, an adult enrichment program here in Davis, > we went out to the hills and dug our own clay, dried it and then fired it > in kilns fired by wood, in the holes we had made. Not just the pottery, > but sitting under the stars, feeding the flames, talking to one another and > getting to know our fellow man in a way that was warm and intimate and > non-machine-like. > > carrie Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
