djh responds to Dmb:

I think you're both correct and incorrect here. You're correct that Mysticism 
and Intellectual quality do indeed work together.  But the key point here is 
that they work together by being mutually exclusive and in opposition!

[Ron]
So you criticize Dmb for being a dialectician and then you assert dialectical 
opposition in your explanations, THAT has
a whole set of consequences embedded in dichotomy, negation, ect...{serve up 
some Ham) 

djh responds:

Well as I've said repeatedly - ultimately definitions are degenerate but does 
that mean we shouldn't define? Is that even possible? I don't think it is so I 
think something better to be interested in (rather than trying to avoid 
degeneracy) is looking at what's good. What's good intellectually? There's an 
interesting question!
 
[Ron replies]
But that has been the question, what is good intellectually and every arguement 
you counter with attacks that question dialecticly
in opposition to it. Now that is interesting ,...is that what you guys see 
yourself as playing? dialectical opposition?
 
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