Jan To keep it simple, the MOQ is purely an intellectual pattern. The fourth level if you like. The fifth level (whatever that will be...) hasn't evolved yet (although maybe it's already arrived in the form of little green men!). Also, keep in mind what Mr Buchanan has said recently about this issue if you haven't already.
Adrie, the quantum level - if you want to differentiate it from Newtonian-sized objects - would not be a fifth level but some sort of pre-inorganic level. I guess you could call it a "zero level". But the primary issue here is, is it actually useful to split the inorganic level in this way? I don't think it is - presently - but I'm open to argument in this regard... Best wishes, Ant Jan Andres Andersson stated May 27th 2013: > Hi all > > In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based "above", or > "outside" the intellectual level. Earlier, Adrie said: Pirsig played with the idea that we are in need of a fift level, the quantum level probably, but was doubting it at the same time. He is a writer, not a theorethical physicist. And of course , do we have to understand the fifth level on top of the pyramid, inorganic , organic, biological,etc....or determining the foundations of the pyramid, simply to begin with, as a level before the inorganic?-----Quality emerging from chaos? .....The fifth level is containing or incorporating all levels,and all levels are emerging from the level under everything, but this level is above all others as the framework in wich we live and think, very strange, but strangeness is only one of the aspects of reality. -------------------- Thoughts, Thoughts, Buchanan? give me some feedback dude, your last post was one of the best you ever made and probably you are not even aware of it. Become aware!! >> >> >> dmb says: >> >> Thanks, Adrie, but sadly it seems you're the only one who even noticed it. >> And people wonder why I get frustrated. Sigh. >> >> I don't think we need a fifth level for this. The science of it is still >> going to be intellectual and the subject matter is still going to be >> inorganic, I think. It's just an extension of physics into the super small >> (and with cosmology, the super big). >> . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
