Djh says: The MOQ expands rationality by allowing us to discuss *all* values not just intellectual values. Included as part of all values are even those undefined better values which create intellectual patterns to begin with. From this Dynamic Quality perspective static quality is degenerate.. [Ron] But you also contend that Dynamic Quality perspective does not exist no one ever has this perspective or ever could. we cant say anything about it. So how can one say how it views static quality? Djh quotes:L Here's a couple of RMP quotes to *intellectually* support my point..
"[Dynamic Quality's] only perceived evil is static quality itself." - Lila and of course.. "Writing a metaphysics is, in the strictest mystic sense, a degenerate activity." [Ron] But you forgot that a ruthless doctrine to preserve purity is a degeneracy fanatics are made of To cling to DQ alone is to cling to chaos. > dmb said: > Since "the only person who doesn't pollute the mystic reality of the world > with fixed metaphysical meanings is a person who hasn't yet been born" then > your point does nothing but distinguish anything or anyone from anything > else. It literally has no meaning and no bearing on any dispute. It is the > most pointless point you could make. — and to whose birth no thought has been > given." djh: There are different pespectives of the MOQ dmb. There is the intellectual perspective which you seem to be stuck in. And there is also a 'perspective' of the MOQ which is *outside*, *before* and actually the 'perspective' which *creates* the intellectual level. This is the non-'perspective' of DQ. To repeat myself - the MOQ *expands rationality* by including this 'perspective' and other value perspectives as part of its metaphysical structure. From a DQ or strictly mystic understanding - static quality is evil and degenerate. RMP and myself can intellectually say that. Why can't you? [Ron] But this perspective DOES NOT EXIST....no one has it! no one can! why include it if it is meaningless? why include it if it has no value? it does not exist....there is no gods eye view. it does not exist djh only for Bodvar and his followers it is a rational assumption that has no basis in experience... You are interpreting selected quotes to support your interpretation of what Pirsig is saying which contradicts other Pirsig quotes, but that is ok you say because Pirsig accepts contradiction and so this supports the fact that your interpretation makes no sense. It must be correct then. yikes! One can intellectualy say any thing meaningless we call that bullshit, lies and disallusionment, they are usually dishonest and selfish ways to fool and decieve others and assert superiority over them. -"what great luck it is for rulers that men do not think" -Adolf Hitler ...muuuuu.... ... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
