[Adrie] Dying as a fact on itself, regardless of any reason, cannot be moral or immoral,the fact will happen anyhow sooner or later,it can only become immoral if induced,provoked etc
[Arlo] Yeah, this was the underlying perspective I was thinking from, more or less that 'suicide' is 'murder', and 'murder' is immoral. But, no, I'd say that death itself is moral in the larger context, because it allows for the evolution of the species through generational migration. So 'death' is a moral necessity, but deliberate, premature ending of life also defeats the evolutionary agenda. That's how I see it, anyway. [Adrie] I was also thinking about this;...a man under the influence of alcohol kills himself, he performs the act a split second after he fomatted the tought,and was completely drunk,can this be an immoral act? [Arlo] I think so. I don't think intoxication abates moral action. I mean, if this same person kills another person rather than himself, would you ask this question? I don't think so, and that's my point above about equating suicide and murder as rooted in the same immorality; a destruction of patterns without a creational outcome. This is why I said to David that simply destroying patterns in and of itself is, to me, not what constitutes a moral act. Morality is the evolution between destruction and creation, as I see it, and to champion the destruction without considering the creational is mistaken, and why I said that the Code of Art is not "rejecting static patterns", but "recreating better patterns". Suicide/murder is a rejection/destruction of static patterns (biological), but leaves nothing "better" in its wake (or diminishes the evolutionary capacity to pursue betterness). Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
