djh said to Arlo:
...But my point is a motorcycle mechanic isn't going to be a very good mechanic
if he is continually judging the quality of these patterns and not trying to
work through mastering them. This mastery is not achieved by simply focusing on
the quality of this or that static pattern but through the perfection and thus
killing of them.
...Heck, this place is nothing but a bunch of Zen Koans and we are putting
these 'case histories' to sleep by continually going over them and getting our
thinking on them perfect..
...I think that in order to build we must kill patterns.. We are here to kill
intellectual patterns. That is, we are here to master them which such
proficiency that they are gone. There in the most monotonous boredom of going
over and over these questions the DQ and resulting new insights can be found..
Each of these is like a koan which we we go over and over again and as we go
over them our thinking on them becomes more and more coherent until..
dmb says:
Well, that's the problem. I do not see anything coherent about this
anti-intellectualism. Quite the opposite.
Mastery and perfection means killing. To build, we must kill. C'mon, be
serious.
Static pattens are necessary but they are not enough. This is the point. You
gotta have both.
"The difference between a good mechanic and a bad one, like the difference
between a good mathematician and a bad one, is precisely this ability to select
the good facts from the bad ones on the basis of quality. He has to care!"
"Value, the leading edge of reality, is no longer an irrelevant offshoot of
structure. Value is the predecessor of structure. It's the preintellectual
awareness that gives rise to it. Our structured reality is preselected on the
basis of value, and really to understand structured reality requires an
understanding of the value source from which it's derived.
One's rational understanding of a motorcycle is therefore modified from minute
to minute as one works on it and sees that a new and different rational
understanding has more Quality. One doesn't cling to old sticky ideas because
one has an immediate rational basis for rejecting them. Reality isn't static
anymore. It's not a set of ideas you have to either fight or resign yourself
to. It's made up, in part, of ideas that are expected to grow as you grow, and
as we all grow, century after century. With Quality as a central undefined
terms, reality is, in its essential nature, not static but dynamic. And when
you really understand dynamic reality you never get stuck. It has forms but the
forms are capable of change.
To put it in more concrete terms: If you want to build a factory, or fix a
motorcycle, or set a nation right without getting stuck, then classical,
structured, dualistic subject-object knowledge, although necessary, isn't
enough. You have to have a sense of what's good. That is what carries you
forward. This sense isn't just something you're born with, although you are
born with it. It's also something you can develop. It's not just "intuition",
not just unexplainable "skill" or "talent". It's the direct result of contact
with basic reality, Quality, which dualistic reason has in the past tended to
conceal."
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