You are so confused , Marsha.The monkey mind is yours;you do not understand what Pirsig wrote or what Dmb is writing. You even fail on basic language terminology. somebody should boot you off the forum, really.
Dm has a legitimate point,it does not belong on top of the pyramid, but it surely is part of the foundation of it. Troll 2013/10/4 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > dmb, > > You have never explained how differentiated (smells, sounds, tastes, > visions, and feelings) could possibly be Dynamic Quality, the > undifferentiated. And you are not explaining it now, and neither are the > mismatched quotes you've thrown at the issue. Discerning this or that > perception comes later and is static. Re-cognized experience is always > static. Change, time, space, smells, sounds, tastes, visions, and feelings > are static patterns. Dynamic Quality is undifferentiated, "not this, not > that", not smells, sounds, tastes, visions, or feelings. Direct awareness > of static patterns of (perceived, without accompanying concepts/language) > value is a state of mindfulness, not Dynamic Quality, and not Nirvana. > > You should learn to turn off the monkey mind. To do just that is a big > deal, but not the ultimate experience of Dynamic Quality. Imho. > > Find out for yourself. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Oct 3, 2013, at 5:50 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > It's been a while, but I have addressed this question (about > pre-conceputal experience) many, many times. No matter how hard I try, the > answers never satisfy and the question comes back around again. > > > > Over a year ago, 8th of July, 2012, Marsha asked: > > How can Dynamic Quality or 'pure experience', which is undifferentiated, > include perceptions which are differentiated? > > > > > > Sigh. I'd really rather not go through it all again, especially with > these guys. There's no way they're going to understand it. But here are a > few thoughts for you to ponder... > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 3:43 PM, david buchanan quoted: > > > > “When Zen teachers introduce students to nirvana (which the MOQ > translates as the world of pure undifferentiated value) they do not do so > with books and thesis. They sit the students in a room until their clutter > of intellectual knowledge is abandoned (especially values judgments!) and > the pure vision of the newborn infant is regained” (McWatt 2004, 83). > > > > > > "Only new-born babes, or men in semi-coma from sleep, drugs, illnesses, > or blows, may be assumed to have an experience pure in the literal sense of > that which is not yet any definite what, tho ready to be all sorts of > whats; full both of oneness and of manyness, but in respects that don't > appear; changing throughout, yet so confusedly that its phases > interpenetrate and no points, either of distinction or ofidentity, can be > caught. Pure experience in this state is but another name for feeling or > sensation. But the flux of it no sooner comes than it tends to fill itself > with emphases, and these salient parts become identified and fixed and > abstracted; so that experience now flows as if shot through with adjectives > and nouns and prepositions and conjunctions. Its purity is only a relative > term, meaning the proportional amount of unverbalized sensation which it > still embodies." - William James - Essays in Radical Empiricism. > > > > > > " 'There must always be a discrepancy between concepts and reality, > because the former are static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic > and flowing.' Here James had chosen exactly the same words Phaedrus had > used for the basic subdivision of the Metaphysics of Quality." Pirsig > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
